semmyroundel Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hi all, I've got various MD, portable and standalone units. I've tried various times to record sound off a DVD (extract songs from a film) but have failed. I first tried it direct, then through a Yamaha Surround receiver that has optical out dedicated to MD. One theory put forward was that the sound was not compatible straight from the DVD to MD, which is why I went via the receiver, as it has dedicated optical outputs, another is this serial copy management system. Well with this, does it mean that if I use a burnt copy of a film then it knows that it's a copy? Would an original not give problems? I suppose what I'm asking is: Can a digital extraction of music from a DVD be made to MD? Also, from an audiophile point of view is it that noticeable over analogue? I have a Quad 909/99 system driving Spendor A6 speakers, and this system, I've been assured, exposes weaknesses in the source material. Regards to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 SCMS - but some DVD players won't actually put out the SCMS, when others will. Try one of the cheapies you can get in Boots, Halfords, Dixons, Safeway(!?), you know the drill. You need an SCMS stripper, or (more simply) a program that you can run on your PC to get the audio. Start with BeSweet? Some PC sound cards can function as an SCMS stripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semmyroundel Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Thanks for that sfbp, I'll start with a cheapie philips I've got knocking around, then an old pioneer, the two that I've tried have been panasonic dvd recorders, then I'll look for besweet. Ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I am not sure about philips - mine is packed away right now so I cannot check. Definitely panasonic is super fussy about that stuff. I'd be inclined to look for one of the super-generic kind. Either that or add optical out to your PC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semmyroundel Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 As I was going to record in real time would this work on a pc? I'm not familiar with how to record songs any other way- I just was going to play the film and press start recording at beginning of song hence the use of dvd players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Should do. From what it sounds like you should be able to get the sound track using some software, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sfbp Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Thanks for the tip. I am about to get a DVD Audio (because it happens to be the only version available and is half the price of the CD - they seem to be remaindering them), and would like to have it in CD and/or MD form too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclip Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 I don't know if that will work with a DVD Audio disc though. Do let me know what you find as I am interested too.I don't know if that will work with a DVD Audio disc though. Do let me know what you find as I am interested too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ral-Clan Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Are you sure your DVD player or amp has its digital output set to PCM or RAW mode and 44.1KHz? If not the MD's optical input might not recognize the format of the digital signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 MD can handle 32 or 48 too - just not 88,96, and higher. Generally DVD and TV digital programs put out 48. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THIS SUCKS Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 why dont you just record from the analog rca outputs? it will sound fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I don't know if that will work with a DVD Audio disc though. Do let me know what you find as I am interested too. Works fine. Disk arrived today. Try it, let me know where you get stuck. There may be some steps that are quite unnecessary, so I am not going to confuse everyone until you have tried it. Installing BeSweet may or may not be simple. I did it the hard way, but there's probably an easy way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 And.... I note that it is possible to get the 48khz wav file into Sonic Stage. It may be my imagination but it seemed to me that the non-resampled version sounded better. What's even more interesting is that Sonic Stage actually converted this 48Khz wav file with resampling to Hi-SP (it wouldn't do AAL but that's a different issue, probably more about not being allowed to do something than whether it is technically possible). I just used BeSweet to get the 6 mono wav files instead. Now I am going to try making something with them using Sound Forge 9. Nope, that doesn't work, maybe the "lite" version I got doesn't support multichannel at all - any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sfbp Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 So let me get this straight, you are ripping a DVD Audio disc - not just a regular DVD Video disc with audio on it? That's what a DVD Audio disk *is*. I'm sorry, that was wrong. The ripper I used was designed for regular DVD's. On consulting the source of all knowledge (Wikipedia) and then double-checking the disk (it is only my second DVD audio disk and the first one I tried to rip) it seems that the VOB files for a regular DVD video are included. So perhaps you need to find a DVD Audio ripper specifically designed. I see there are several when I googled them just now. Sorry for any confusion. Mind you the result of the rip of the VOB files still sounded pretty good. If you want the really high quality of the DVD audio (AOB files, judging by their sizes) then you need to rip them instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sfbp Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I know that transcoding a DVD Audio disc onto MD may seem like a waste but it's the quality of the mixes that make them superior to many CD's of the same material. That may easily be because DVD Audio is 24-bits, and so is MD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippeC Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 And you can also record in real time with 24bit-88/96/192khz lossless audio files that you have downloaded (as legal as you must) from your PC. - PC with a good audio card (minimum 24bit-96 kHz capacities) and an optical audio output - player like foobar2000 with also minimum 24bit-96kHz settings, Asio4all or Kernel Streaming audio output - usefull plugins like ReplayGain (specially with high level recorded albums, so then your MD level record at +0.0dB is always OK), Post-track silence (WinCue if you use Winamp) and Advanced Limiter - the plugin DFX Audio enhancer will not be good for those high quality sources, only with low level recording and MP3... or if your audio card is not that good ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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