navsimpson Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Well? What do y'all think?-Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pata2001 Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Well, the Audio T-board was originally Minidisc T-board, so maybe Atraclife will become codeclife? Or AAClife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 sonyinsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastiB Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 SonyInsider sounds really really good...... I love that.... But what happens to all my nearly 600 Atrac Songs downloaded from Connect or ripped from my CD`s... there must be a solution... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navsimpson Posted April 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 sonyinsiderOkay, phew! I was worried there for a sec. And I like that name. -Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markey Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Okay, phew! I was worried there for a sec. And I like that name. -NavThank God for that! Wouldn't want to loose this forum, wouldn't know what to do with myself. Probably end up in rehab with withdrawal symptoms lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizone_ Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 I don't think Sony should ever drop ATRAC. It is true that ATRAC is not widely used among general public, but it is in fact widely used among Walkman users. It will be better for Sony to support many types of formats, like they are currently doing. So, the Atraclife should also prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinji Ikeda Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 I don't think Sony should ever drop ATRAC. It is true that ATRAC is not widely used among general public, but it is in fact widely used among Walkman users. It will be better for Sony to support many types of formats, like they are currently doing. So, the Atraclife should also prevail. To be honest Sony will not drop ATRAC. They have invested in the technology. From my perception there are many misconceptions about ATRAC. ATRAC is specifically used my Minidisc players and several of Sony's product. I would like to expand on Zizone's comment and state that Sony will continue to support different format including ATRAC.SonyInsider sounds really really good...... I love that.... But what happens to all my nearly 600 Atrac Songs downloaded from Connect or ripped from my CD`s... there must be a solution... It is possible to write those 600 ATRAC Song to a CD, but I must verify this. I do not think you have anything to worry about. Sony is still promoting the players that they released recently.Finally, I think ATRACLife will be changing it name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navsimpson Posted April 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Re: Sony dropping ATRAC. I wonder if ATRAC can be simply implemented as another codec, without all the crazy DRM stuff that it has attached to it now i.e. in the same way that Sony added AAC to Sonicstage. You can play it and rip it and that's it. Is there some sort of technical reason that Sony can't do this with ATRAC, particularly in regards to drag 'n drop? It seems the sensible thing to do would be to drop Sonicstage in favour of a 'built-from-the-ground-up' jukebox but maintain some basic functionality for ATRAC. I also think another reason that ATRAC will continue to be around is ATRAC lossless - I don't see Sony supporting FLAC, so it's just one more thing. -Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB37 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Better idea, Sony should just use Vorbis, I would be addicted to them if they did that! Well seriously sonyinsider actually makes more sense than atraclife, your site incorporates more than the codec into its content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pata2001 Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Sooner or later, Sony will probably abandon Atrac. Nobody else is using it except Sony. With the rapid adoption of AAC by Sony, it's pretty easy to see where Sony is going. All newer Network Walkmen support AAC. PS3, PSP, Sony Ericsson, all support AAC. AAC is also part of MPEG4 standard. Sony will probably see how far they can drag Atrac, and at the same time, build up AAC support so they will have something to fall back when they want to ditch Atrac. It's not like Sony is improving Atrac in a significant way. I mean look at LP2. Has Sony even bothered to improve the most widely compatible Atrac format? Instead, they introduced more complication by bringing in Atrac3+, and even on Atrac3+, Sony cannot make they devices fully compatible with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobA Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Sony won't ditch ATRAC, ATRAC for Life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizone_ Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) I really don't see a reason to drop ATRAC. Why should it be all or none? I believe supporting all kinds of format is the best option. Edited May 17, 2007 by Zizone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangraman Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 What they need to do is to make ATRAC licenseable for a reasonable fee, or even make it a conditional-free / fee license. It's a superior format in many ways - who else out there has anything like ATRAC Lossless? No-one. It's just that Chronicstage makes all this goodness unusable. Give it some independent software support. They've got some of the best players they've ever done right now and all they need to do is to make it a little more accessible for third-party developers. I'm not holding my breath of course, but it's a hope...e.g. NW-series + Playcounts + Media Center = iPod cremator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobA Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 What they need to do is to make ATRAC licenseable for a reasonable fee, or even make it a conditional-free / fee license. It's a superior format in many ways - who else out there has anything like ATRAC Lossless? No-one. It's just that Chronicstage makes all this goodness unusable. Give it some independent software support. They've got some of the best players they've ever done right now and all they need to do is to make it a little more accessible for third-party developers. I'm not holding my breath of course, but it's a hope...e.g. NW-series + Playcounts + Media Center = iPod cremator.I'd prefer it if ATRAC stayed as a sony thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) I agree with Rob A, if ATRAC is going to die it better die with Sony. And bangraman, I don't get why they made AAL bitrate specific, to this day I still don't get how it exactly works. I like to use FLAC for a compressed lossless solution. But don't get me wrong, ATRAC of all lossy codecs is my favourite. Edited June 7, 2007 by Sparda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pata2001 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 who else out there has anything like ATRAC Lossless? No-one. It's just that Chronicstage makes all this goodness unusable.FLAC is a lossless codec supported by many hardware devices (Cowon, rockbox). There's also Apple lossless and WMA lossless. So pretty much everybody has their own lossless codec. The fact that Atrac lossless is propietary, and cannot be easily converted to other formats outside Sonicstage, really makes it a weak offering.I mean let's face it. If Sony is so confident in Atrac, then why did they contribute to the development of AAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangraman Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 FLAC is a lossless codec supported by many hardware devices (Cowon, rockbox). There's also Apple lossless and WMA lossless. So pretty much everybody has their own lossless codec. The fact that Atrac lossless is propietary, and cannot be easily converted to other formats outside Sonicstage, really makes it a weak offering.I mean let's face it. If Sony is so confident in Atrac, then why did they contribute to the development of AAC? The way that ATRAC Lossless works is unique among the 'majors' and the most sensible out of the lot in a portable / home mix situation. No-one (except the rabid head-fiers who believe they can tell the difference with a pair of balanced-armature IEM's on the move) is actually going to cart Lossless around on a portable. AL allows for the Lossless information to stay on desktops and for lossy data to be loaded onto a portable - all while managing just one library. The problem with the current implementation is of course that it is centered around Chronicstage - which has no advanced audio routing options for a start. Other lossless codecs have a fundamental problem in that if you actually want to take music portable, you have to compromise on the size / battery life / etc issues that lossless formats bring, or to effectively manage two libraries. I found that impossible to do. Now the way I used to do it until very recently - and this is no joke - is to use a multicore PC to run multiple instances of LAME to transcode FLAC to MP3 on the fly. Fortunately, my very slow developer has finally come through with a piece of idleware to transcode the main FLAC library to MP3 in the idle time of the HTPC and dump the results into a mirrored shadow library. The important final addition being that tag changes and track deletions / changes are also mirrored without fail. Development work on the above has not only required the acquisition of quad / octocore workstations for the interim brute-force solutions, but also in the development time and money invested. I bought a laptop for the developer as part of the deal, and the balance of the deal will be heading his way once work is complete. All this is happening just so that I can maintain a Lossless library and manage only that one, while simultaneously allowing lossy copies to be kept. ATRAC Lossless removes the complications of the above in one fell swoop. It's just that as it stands, it is unusable thanks to Chronic. Opening up development to third parties of the benefits of AL implementation would be a huge boost as far as I'm concerned - and perhaps for many people who take the quality of music at home seriously, but would prefer the enjoy the full mobility benefits of lossy audio on the move. It will also of course eliminate the dependency on Chronicstage which is as of recently the only real impediment to the larger-scale adoption of Sony players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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