Ryzir Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I am unable to transfer music in LPCM. In the manual it states that LPCM files do not need to be converted to transfer them to Hi-Md. The LPCM songs transfer into SonicStage fine but when I go to transfer them to the minidisc it wnats me to convert to either atrac or atrac3. This seems kind of odd because it is one of sony's selling points. The only thing I can determine is that it is not supported in this model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeromd Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 u can only record to PCM to Hi-MD from the unit. (i think) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDOG58 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 You can record via Mic/Line-In in PCM to the MD and then upload THAT song to the computer. But you can not upload PCM from the computer to the MD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[StrangeByte] Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 it's getting even more complicated... :wacky: you CAN transfer PCM recordings from PC to MD if they were transferred from MD to PC before... that means: record in PCM on the unit, transfer the song to the pc, delete it on the unit and you can download it back to the unit with the pc as source. (as i know... test it with some stupid mic recordings and don't waste your best recordings that way if it isn't true) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzir Posted May 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 This model does not have a line in nor a mic in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[StrangeByte] Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 :ohmy: oh... just didn't think about that... sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazeybt1 Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 i'm curious havn't read nething on this one yet..how's the transfer? same ole convert then transfer or new process....n how fast is the transfers can u tell me?...(say u experimented using a song that's bout 3-5 mins long if u got the time) Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Stamp Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 none of the new minidiscs can transfer PCM from the computer.. they probably left this out because it may be taking too much juice for the unit to handle when writing at faster speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDOG58 Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 none of the new minidiscs can transfer PCM from the computer.. they probably left this out because it may be taking too much juice for the unit to handle when writing at faster speeds.Actually, if I remember right, it has something to do with copywrite and pirating. Appernetly, they think that if you cant take a track from a CD to MD and keep it in CD quality, it will reduce piracy. I say that is crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 If Hi-SP 256kbps ATRAC3plus audio is pretty much equivalent to lossless, then is it really "crap"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyther Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Lossy pretty much equivalent to lossless? Doubt it. With reasonably good equipment, the differences are obvious, regardless of the bitrate. Bitrate only affects the degree to which the compression is applied. 256kbps is considered high bitrate. Most lossy codecs, including MP3, will reach a satisfactory level of transparency (for portable use). At that bitrate, the differences between the various popular lossy codecs (ATRAC, AAC, OGG, MP3) are minimal. Where the codecs will show their differences will be around the 128~192kbps range, but to rank high bitrate lossy to be approximately equal to lossless is improper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Lossy pretty much equivalent to lossless? Doubt it. With reasonably good equipment, the differences are obvious, regardless of the bitrate. Bitrate only affects the degree to which the compression is applied. 256kbps is considered high bitrate. Most lossy codecs, including MP3, will reach a satisfactory level of transparency (for portable use). At that bitrate, the differences between the various popular lossy codecs (ATRAC, AAC, OGG, MP3) are minimal. Where the codecs will show their differences will be around the 128~192kbps range, but to rank high bitrate lossy to be approximately equal to lossless is improper.Perhaps, but the number of Minidisc users who employ equipments to tell the difference between the two is much lower than those who do not. When you're arguing a lossy codec and lossless on a 5mW [or lower] output, does it really matter anyways? ATRAC3plus 256kbps is more than sufficent and in Hi-MD's case, a necessity because lossless would make the battery life horrid. Plus, with ATRAC's keen ability to preform well in a lesser density, you can store more of 256kbps ATRAC3plus audio on a disc than you could with lossless, no? The point is this: ATRAC3plus 256kbps audio will be most likely better than 292kbps ATRAC3 [sP]. This in itself is good, because I know that most Minidisc users are content with how SP preforms - and if they are content with that then something a shade better will be just as attractive. If you're a MD user your not seeking lossless, anyway..get a real DAP for christ's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Lossy pretty much equivalent to lossless?Depends on the bitrate... Doubt it. With reasonably good equipment, the differences are obvious, regardless of the bitrate. The point is: What is reasonable? The 30000 $ line-up? Think Krell & Mark Levinson here... Bitrate only affects the degree to which the compression is applied. True. 256kbps is considered high bitrate. Most lossy codecs, including MP3, will reach a satisfactory level of transparency (for portable use). True for MP3. If you take something more modern like Atrac and OGG, this is more than adequate even for serious home use. At that bitrate, the differences between the various popular lossy codecs (ATRAC, AAC, OGG, MP3) are minimal. Where the codecs will show their differences will be around the 128~192kbps range, but to rank high bitrate lossy to be approximately equal to lossless is improper.Well, for 99% of all users, Hi-SP and Linear PCM will sound equal. And a good number doesn't even hear a difference at 128kBit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symphara Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Lossy pretty much equivalent to lossless? Doubt it. With reasonably good equipment, the differences are obvious, regardless of the bitrate. Sorry, obvious to whom? I read over and over in high-quality MD equipment reviews (MD decks, like the JA3ES or JB980) that people (who are otherwise audiophiles) cannot distinguish between the original CD source and the MD recording, when the deck is hooked to a good sound system. I don't have a smashing sound system, but it's reasonably good and MD-SP sounds just like the CD in my living room. To me and everybody else I've asked to compare. "Obvious" is obviously an inadequate term to use in this context. "Barely noticeable, if at all", sounds closer to what most people experience. This "lossy" vs "lossless" argument sounds very much like the "LPs (talking about vinyl not MD-LP) sound better than CDs because they're analog". </symphara> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dravez Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 HEYY...MR....THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION FOR YOU!!! DOWNLOAD SONIC STAGE V2.2. ITS LET YOU RECORD YOUR SONGS IN OMG LPCM (THE SAME AS PCM), AND YOU CAN RECORD THE SONGS TO YOUR HD WIOUTH COMPRESSION....BELIEVEME...I OWN A NH600D, AND IT WORKS... I RECENTLY DID IT, AND NOW IM LISTENIG A SONG IN LPCM, AND MAN, AND, WHATEVER YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE SAIS, THERE IS A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG DIFERENCE BETWEEN HI-SP AND LPCM...YOU NEED TO WASH YOUR EARS MORE FRECUENTLY. JUST JOKING. HOPE YOU SEE THIS POST SOON...AND WORK FOR MORE PEOPLE. PEACE OUT HAVE EVERYBODY A NICE DAY... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 HEYY...MR....THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION FOR YOU!!! [Half a ton All-Caps stuff deleted] WTF? First, obviously, your Caps-Lock is stuck. Second, this is an old thread. Please check the date before posting. Third, writing in ALL CAPS is the same as shouting. And shouting is considered rude. How about showing some etiquette... Fourth, the recommendation to upgrade is already well known around here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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