marcnet Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Go here: http://forums.minidisc.org/viewtopic.php?t=6087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kouby Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Nice tip you got there Unless Sony can provide us with his WAV Converter in the near future, using Directshow filters to convert OMA to WAV is indeed a lot better than the non-free, Total Recorder method. btw, did it work for your two tracks (the PCM and the Hi-SP ones) or just one of the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latexxx Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 I just tested this using some ripped tracks; it works. Some time ago I tested using Microsoft's wave-filter and it didn't work. How did I miss Soy's Wav-filter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeriyn Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Wow, this is really neat. Wish I had a Hi-MD unit to test it out for myself. Kurisu, man, this really deserves a Sticky. :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhangraman Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 I followed the instructions, dragged the resulting file into iTunes, burned an Audio CD and I'm playing it on my regular (Sony ) Mini system as I type. That was a huge favour you did to the Hi-MD community. Kudos to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Stickied. This is going to make some serious waves for the community, and I will make sure it's front page news. Thanks, marc! :grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananatree Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Wow, I must say that you WIN! If I had riches and prizes, I'd send them right to your door. Now Bangraman, don't go squeeling to your Sony contacts... we don't need this secret getting too much attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Excellent work, marc. Serious kudos to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhangraman Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hold on... all my WAV files are 10.3MB long... has anyone else got this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted September 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Sorry... I only tested with 2 short tracks ... It seems the maximum wav size is 10.3mb long.... This may be due to the "OpenOmg" source filter being a bit gay with regards to rendering faster than real-time Seems my method needs: a) A c/c++ replacement that can create directshow objects and be able to resume rendering wav files from where it last left off (which will take time, but Im quite capable of doing) a smart-tee filter between the OMG TRANSFORM and the SonyWavWriter. Render the Capture pin (bump) to the Wave/DirectSound device and the preview pin to the SonyWavWriter. This,unfortunatly, is a real-time method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 So, the maximum size of the *.wav file can only be 10.3mb? What occurs when it goes past that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted September 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Nothing... GraphEdit simply just seems to stop processing the .oma and/or writing .wav data... The play icon turns green and the stop icon turns red... You're left with just over a minutes worth of .wav Im only guessing that once the Sony OMA reading filter reaches the end of the .oma file it tells DirectShow to stop processing Furthur more: Ive tried seeking while rendering in GraphEdit... and it seems to suggest that seeking to a place in an .oma will render to the .wav file from that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xispe Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 yep! i have the same trouble! I think that with these filters i would be able to do an application for converting OMA to WAV. If only i'd have time... Tomorrow i'll try to check if this can be done in .NET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Guys, if you can whip something up ASAP to solve this issue, it'd be really appreciated. I might consider a bounty [$$$] for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananatree Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Hackers of the world, unite!!!! We could be making history here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Sorry, can someone post a link to this software please... I seem not able to get it from anywhere :S Thanks heaps! GREAT FIND! I have also just been talking to Sony, they sell a cable down here in Australia, which you plug into your MD, then into your audio socket at the back of your pc, you just take the tracks off your MD that way, and it is automatically converted to .wav. You might all know this... but thought I may as well put it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Twenty five dollar reward to whomever finalizes this process. Possibly more if it's done steadfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Can someone post a link please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 It's in the inital post, friend. http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/download.../graphedit.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 The download link on digital-digest seems to be dead. ("Cannot find server") However, StokeBloke has it too: http://www.stokebloke.com/video/wmv2avi.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I did see the link in the initial post, but when it said GraphicEditor, I thought it must have been wrong, because I thought it would be called somethign like AudiorEditor.... Cheers mate! Thanks very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxc Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I have also just been talking to Sony, they sell a cable down here in Australia, which you plug into your MD, then into your audio socket at the back of your pc, you just take the tracks off your MD that way, and it is automatically converted to .wav. You might all know this... but thought I may as well put it upI think this is a standard audio cable that you can find at Dick Smith and other places. Essentially, the NH1 will be sending an analog signal out of the player, and the sound card of the PC records it and saves it to your PC as a wav file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Oh ok, now worries then. I will by buying in next week! Now all I have to find is some good editing software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted September 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Ill have a go tonight ... My DirectShow knowledge is a bit rusty so it might take the weekend for me to get something done and in a releasable state. Last night I did get as far as creating the OMG source filter object and giving it a file... All functions (methods, procedures..... whatever) returned S_OK (which means "success") , so I think im getting somewhere...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xispe Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 very nice! :grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latexxx Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Here are some results form my test. Sony's OMG TRANSFORM filter can be used together with any filters the GUID of which is A168F81B-1052-4645-99F5-665B71927FEA (same as Sony's wav writer's). Here is a little demo filter which also suffers from that evil file size limit caused by OMG TRANSFORM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latexxx Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I got a new idea. The amount of data passed through DS filters seems to depend on the current cpu usage etc so adding a clock, which runs at 200% - 500% real time, to the filter should enable us to get all available data from OMG TRANSFORM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhangraman Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Oh ok, now worries then. I will by buying in next week! Now all I have to find is some good editing software.Personally, I'd wait to see what happens in this thread. Analog recording to a PC, you see, is a bit of a bitch (for more or less exactly the same reasons that none of us rate machines like the iRiver for recording higher than Hi-MD) if you don't want mediocre results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDfreak Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 So now Sony has no reason why not to include a export-function in SonicStage itself. Exporting is already possible for the people who realy want it! Real NICE FIND! Maybe now someone can write an export-program that does this trick automatic (open oma-file, say where you want the wave-file, and a "convert" button). O, by the way (I hope you don't mind) I put a Dutch translation of the procedure on our Dutch forum. Off course with a reference to this topic. http://www.mdcenter.nl/forums/viewtopic.php?t=779 If you have a problem with the translation please let me know, then I remove it but I think everbody should know of this neet trick! Many thanks on behalf of the Dutch MiniDisc-community! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomdigital Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 So now Sony has no reason why not to include a export-function in SonicStage itself. Exporting is already possible for the people who realy want it! Real NICE FIND! Maybe now someone can write an export-program that does this trick automatic (open oma-file, say where you want the wave-file, and a "convert" button). O, by the way (I hope you don't mind) I put a Dutch translation of the procedure on our Dutch forum. Off course with a reference to this topic. http://www.mdcenter.nl/forums/viewtopic.php?t=779 If you have a problem with the translation please let me know, then I remove it but I think everbody should know of this neet trick! Many thanks on behalf of the Dutch MiniDisc-community!Hi, well seems like you did not read the thread - it does not work 100%, it only lets you transfer about a minute - which is fine if that is all you have Lets hope the wiser people on this board find a solution fast. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDfreak Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Hi, well seems like you did not read the thread - it does not work 100%, it only lets you transfer about a minute - which is fine if that is all you have Lets hope the wiser people on this board find a solution fast. TomYes, I read later. Sadly I do not have the knowledge to take part in the developement. I only have a Hi-MD (NH700) and a 4 minute uploaded Hi-SP track to test proposed solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxc Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 MDFreak: In your Hi-MD preview a few months ago, you mentioned that the Sony Staff at the Sony Spring Show also referred to some Extension software that would allow burning of uploaded tracks to CD. Have you been able to use your Sony contacts to ask them where this software is, or if it will ever be released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 I think it is called the 'Sony wav converter', which will convert you sony format songs, into .wav format. I think and I hope that it will come out very soon, but I hear it may come out later this year. That's what I have heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefbeef Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 This method (I know it's not fully developed yet) freezes the tracks on the Hi-MD, right? (page 113 of NH1 manual.) That is one nice thing about Dex's method. You don't lose any freedom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Indeed, but we here at the site have taken a very keen interest in this method and we will be sure that progress does not die down. I am very serious about my "bounty", if I need to make the payment higher to produce results I have no problem with that. I ever spoke to the webmaster on the phone last night about this, and I haven't heard him this excited in a coon's age. Let's get crackin'! :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike S Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Hey guys, I'm a new owner of a MZ-NH700. I bought it based entirely on the high-speed transfer option because I use it as a portable recorder only. Obviously this DRM stuff isn't make me super happy. I started digging on the net for workarounds and found this ridiculous thread: http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php...38&page=4&pp=15 If you wade through all the mindless meanderings someone suggests using TMPEG ENC to convert from OMA to WAV. TMPEG ENC is freeware and after about 10 seconds I had a new WAV file. Here is EXACTLY what I did: Use SonicStage to high-speed transfer off the MD to my computer Use the Move File option to save it to my Desktop Drag the new .OMA file into TMPEG Use Output to File->WAV Save Pretty easy, really. Does this solve the problem you guys are trying to resolve, or am I missing the boat? My big complaint is just being able to transfer files QUICKLY and then be able to store them in some non-Sony Proprietary format, so I think this is a decent procedure. Let me know what you think about this. Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted September 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 I tried TMPGEnc as soon as I saw this post... I used the standard 5 minute track I used with GraphEdit to try to prove everyone wrong that the 10.3meg limit isnt there ... Which I failed doing . as the 10.3mb limit IS there. Anyway.. TMPGEnc as the same sort of limit. It produces a larger .wav file (i think its the correct size, actually) but after about 1 minute in the .wav file it is all BLANK. Development continues... the search for the ultimate .oma -> .wav continues to elude us all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latexxx Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Maybe it would be possible to extract audio information in one minute chunks though it requires some additional coding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted September 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 I have a different theory: When the OMG source filter reads the last byte of OMA data, it tells the filter graph (or whatever) that it has finished spitting out data and that the filter graph should stop. Which it does. Meanwhile, the file writer fitler is still writing wav data. The filter stops (as told by the OMG source filter). Wav writing stops. Im also having c/c++ coding issues: I create a GraphBuilder object via CoCreateInstance I use the GraphBuilder function AddSourceFilter to add a ".oma" file to the graph. This function succeeds. I enumerate the pins on the source filter (as returned by AddSourceFilter ) and get an output one I tell the graph to render the pin via the Render funtion. An exception happens.... An exception also happens If I manually connect the output pin to an input pin of an OMG TRANSFORM filter that has also been created (CoCreateInstance) and added to the graph (AddFilter) . Anyone got any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latexxx Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 I use the GraphBuilder function AddSourceFilter to add a ".oma" file to the graph. This function succeeds.Did you use "OpenMG OmgSource filter" (855FBD04-8AD5-40B2-AA34-A6581E59831C) or some generic file reader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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