jadeclaw Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I imagine it would be the same for Sony or Creative if they were controlling the market. The giant always gets the publicity.Sony is the giant here. Problem: Sony is obviously incapable to properly market their products.Had Sony marketed the Minidisc the same way Apple had marketed the iPod, Minidisc would possibly rule the portable player market.But when was the last time, anyone has seen a decent ad in a big newspaper or a tv-spot promoting MD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Apple's marketing was great, and I'm sure a big reason it got so popular so fast. But, I still think there's more components than just marketing involved. The product itself has to deliver what consumers are looking for. By the time hdd players got popular, the concept of MD was not very practical to be comparing to jukeboxes. I don't know if good Sony marketing would've changed things that much to the point where they get most of the market. It's still apples and oranges, and removable and recordable media is not what the typical consumer was looking for then. Apple hit the market at the prime time, right when the concept of mp3 jukeboxes was starting to become a popular concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamaxDATminidisc Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Sony is the giant here. Problem: Sony is obviously incapable to properly market their products.Had Sony marketed the Minidisc the same way Apple had marketed the iPod, Minidisc would possibly rule the portable player market.But when was the last time, anyone has seen a decent ad in a big newspaper or a tv-spot promoting MD?You've reason. The people've forgotten MD and Hi-MD and don't read well catalogues/brochures of MD and Hi-MD! iPod speaks too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgd0917 Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Most people are..."What's a NetMD? Never heard of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableground Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) "What's an iPod mini? Never heard of it!"Sony's finally getting the hang of things in the digital music world (at least in terms of mimicking Apple).By the way, I LOATHED SonicStage. Worst POS ever! But now we've got some iTunes competition, I hope! Hopefully also without stuff like the iTunesHelper.exe and iPodsomethingorother.exe that run in Windows' background. Also, I like how it seems that there's a nice little playlist (hopefully like the iTunes Party Shuffle) in the bottom lefthand corner. And to think I was about to invest in an iPod!Oh, and on a final note did anyone notice that the other audio player in that Networking picture is not quite a VAIO Pocket? What is it? Is it new? I'm curious!!! Edited October 11, 2005 by ableground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswyatt Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 To me it did matter where my wrongly placed post had gone to although, I didn't know that there was alreay a thread for my laments. Thank you for that info. I too will hate to see my beloved MDs discontinued. In one of the lost messages I suggested collecting the units available on ebay so that we can have spares for years to com.My apologies señor Volta for my transgression. I'll try not to do it again.Am I wrong in guessing that all that editing earlier was a little request from sony? Sony announces the launch of new and better software and people just use it as a chance to have a good moan . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
803cd Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I e-mailed connect europe to see if my MZ-NH900 would be supported by the new connect player. Here is the reply:"Although the new C2 Client is likely to support some legacy devices by themiddle of next year, the list of devices to be supported at the moment isunknown. If you were however to buy a new Aura device this would also workalong side your other player with SonicStage 3.2 or later." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mviracca Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 "Although the new C2 Client is likely to support some legacy devices by themiddle of next year, the list of devices to be supported at the moment isunknown."Nice to see some comprehensive product testing going on then.... I have the same device so it would be nice to know."If you were however to buy a new Aura device this would also workalong side your other player with SonicStage 3.2 or later.""Sorry for appearing ignorant but what is an Aura device? Is this a new product range or do they mean any audio device? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishiyoshi Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Nice to see some comprehensive product testing going on then.... I have the same device so it would be nice to know.Sorry for appearing ignorant but what is an Aura device? Is this a new product range or do they mean any audio device?If I remember correctly, Aura is a codename for the upcoming Network Walkman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagine Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 "Although the new C2 Client is likely to support some legacy devices by themiddle of next year, the list of devices to be supported at the moment isunknown. If you were however to buy a new Aura device this would also workalong side your other player with SonicStage 3.2 or later."Do you think the most recent line of network walkmans and/or the latest network hi-md's are considered 'legacy devices'? I sure hope my nw-e407 will be supported... and that connect player lives up to it's hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrius Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 I think we Hi-MD users are going to get screwed. Better keep the offline installer backed up both online and offline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Well, since HiMD is kept in production (see main site ), we should see MD-support in the connect-player.It couldn't be that hard to include the existing MD-drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continuity Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 I was just reading through some reviews of players on Audiocubes,this review seems to talk about the Connect player with an MD unit:http://www.audiocubes.com/product_reviews_...?reviews_id=915Kind of vague, but seems like he's talking about the Connect player inthe middle of it."Sonic Stage has a bad rep, and the latest version of Connect is no exception." Maybe an indication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishiyoshi Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 I was just reading through some reviews of players on Audiocubes,this review seems to talk about the Connect player with an MD unit:http://www.audiocubes.com/product_reviews_...?reviews_id=915Kind of vague, but seems like he's talking about the Connect player inthe middle of it."Sonic Stage has a bad rep, and the latest version of Connect is no exception." Maybe an indication?I believe the reviewer meant to say SonicStage 3.2 as the latest version of SonicStage employed by Connect Music Service. Please note that the new "CONNECT" Player is not available yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continuity Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Sorry, my bad =)I can see where the confusion would be. I logged onto www.connect.com,and if you follow the links it says you can download the new "Connect Player".When you do click on the link to download it, it downloads SonicStageInstaller.exe =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableground Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Speaking of the new Connect Player ... when the hell is it going to be released?! I'm impatient, damnit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breepee2 Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 And more importantly: will it be compatible with at least the 2nd generation of HiMD units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswyatt Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Well I haven't had my first gen recorder for that long, so they had better keep supporting it ... You might need a stupid plugin or something like that to make it work with MD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkranz Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 I tried buying an album from the Connect music store with my current Sonic Stage 3.2 installation, and I received a pop-up message saying that I was still using an old version of Connect Player and I should download the new version...or else I would not be able to burn purchased titles. [i had purchsed a couple of songs from the Connect store a couple of days before this without incident, so they just implemented this warning.]I haven't downloaded the software yet for fear that it will botch my current (and working) Sonic Stage and Simple Burner installations.So I bought the same album from iTunes, burned a CD (or 3 or 4 ) and put it on my MD with Simple Burner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableground Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Uh... newer software then SS3.2? I am going to investigate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrius Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 There is no new software. I just downloaded SonicStage 3.2 from Sony's site 48 hours ago, and it's the exact same thing as the one in the full installer. Maybe a component here or there is an older version, but I don't see anything radically different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 (edited) Sony is not Apple. Sony makes first the announcement for a fantastic new piece, than let's the audience wait a few months and finally delivers something which is still not that much better than the old stuff. To expect something on the MD/HDD market which is technically advanced only will be the cause of severe frustration. I mean, how many versions did Sonistage need until it became (almost) usable - not to speak of advanced or not so advanced features at all like searching for MP3 tags for songs not ripped straight from CD by Sonicstage and it still has the stupid delete function that if you delete music from the player it will be deleted on the computer as well.....While iTunes set a worldwide trend with Podcasts and now with selling videos Stonicstage still doesnt deliver basic functions the consumers want. If the new Connect software is not a _big_ step ahead it will have a severe impact on the sales of _all_ ATRAC/MP3 models manufactured by Sony. You just have to read comments on Sony players in computer forums or comments at Amazon.com where "normal" users write about their struggle with Sonicstage.... Edited October 19, 2005 by kamui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommypeters Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Yes, when I think of the software from Sony I almost change side in the New DVD Format War - from Bluray to HD-DVD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury_in_flames Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 hmm, i will be mucho bummed if the new software cant be used with my HD5, i mean i dont really mind sonic stage 3.2, but it would be cool to at least have the OPTION to use the new software with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableground Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 I have a feeling Sony hired some new software designers or something. Have you seen the new PSP software? Looks pretty spiffy.I just hope it acts spiffy, as I hope the CONNECT player does, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 We have a first review of the Connect Player.Just wibble over here and go to Post #133. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommypeters Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I have a feeling Sony hired some new software designers or something.We have a first review of the Connect Player.That review indicates that they indeed have hired some new software designers - new as in "have never made a program before-new"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblin Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 We have a first review of the Connect Player.Just wibble over here and go to Post #133.the review got moved here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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