ninetynine Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Is there any differences in terms of audio quality between these two? Also, how much recording time do both the regular md and hi-md give you? Edited January 18, 2006 by ninetynine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastianbf Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Himd has the best quality-compression relation. In Himd disc you can record in PCM mode (no compression at all, like wav) which is the best recording mode you can get in minidisc.About recording times and all other stuff, take a look here:http://www.minidisc.org/hi-md_faq.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) When you say Hi-MD, do you mean 1GB discs or reformatted standard MDs or both? When you say regular MD, do you mean in standard or Hi-MD mode?1GB discs can only be used in Hi-MD mode, whereas regular MDs can be used in MD or Hi-MD mode. Hi-MD formatted regular MDs hold about 1/4 - 1/3 of a 1GB disc. If you use the same codec/bitrate, there's no audible difference. Regular MDs in std. MD mode - besides being even more limited in capacity - use different (older) audio codecs and thus can't be compared objectively in sound quality. PCM - being 'lossless/uncompressed' - should in theory sound better than any of the other codecs, but consumes substantially more disc space. That makes it more a good recording than a reasonable playback mode. Edited January 18, 2006 by greenmachine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burns3016 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 When you say Hi-MD, do you mean 1GB discs or reformatted standard MDs or both? When you say regular MD, do you mean in standard or Hi-MD mode?1GB discs can only be used in Hi-MD mode, whereas regular MDs can be used in MD or Hi-MD mode. Hi-MD formatted regular MDs hold about 1/4 - 1/3 of a 1GB disc. If you use the same codec/bitrate, there's no audible difference. Regular MDs in std. MD mode - besides being even more limited in capacity - use different (older) audio codecs and thus can't be compared objectively in sound quality. PCM - being 'lossless/uncompressed' - should in theory sound better than any of the other codecs, but consumes substantially more disc space. That makes it more a good recording than a reasonable playback mode.Greenmachine is spot on. The sound quality is the same, if using the same bitrate, using either 1GB blanks OR 80min blanks. The only difference is the amount of storage capacity that you have (1GB blanks leave the rest for dead!)Also, does anybody know if the 2GB blanks (not available in Australia) are able to be used in the 1st Generation Hi-MD recorders such as the MZ-Nh900, MZ-NHF800 etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastianbf Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 2GB blanks? WHERE? WHEN?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones52 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Maybe we should just turn this thread into a wishlist for 2gb minidiscs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skradgee Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I've seen a picture of a 2GB disc!! They must exist!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastianbf Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 You have seen the 2GB discs in an avatar from "andicillo" for sure. It's an edited picture! lol. 2GB discs doesn't exist by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninetynine Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) I ment to say what is the difference between the hi-md and the older mini disc players ( between the net md and the ones that came out before those aswell ). I was thinking of purchasing a r70, Isn`t the recording sound quality 44.1khz / WAV ? Edited January 18, 2006 by ninetynine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnageddon Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I hear that the new 2GB discs, besides holding twice as much music as the 1GB discs, will also wash your dishes and tune your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerTapir Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) I think the basic questions here is:What sounds better? The original SP mode with 292 kbps bitrate ORthe HI-SP mode with just 256kbps but maybe better codec !!??This 356kbps Mode ( I think it was 356...) is only aviable in SoS, andto use it, you have to import as Wave. (SoS can at maximum Import atracwith 320kbps, wich is not supported by most (or ALL ??) HI-MD units )for daily use its not realy suitable.PS: Try one of my Minidisk, And you will never have store problems anymore !! Edited January 18, 2006 by DerTapir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPlitude Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 WOW NOW THERES 1 TERABYTE DISKS??? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 WOW NOW THERES 1 TERABYTE DISKS??? LOLWhy not? Not too long ago we had 2MB flash cards - now we have 2GB. Not too long ago we had 200MB HDDs, now we have 200GB. A 10³ step ain't too revolutionary in our fast moving modern world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 (edited) I ment to say what is the difference between the hi-md and the older mini disc players ( between the net md and the ones that came out before those aswell ). I was thinking of purchasing a r70, Isn`t the recording sound quality 44.1khz / WAV ?ATRAC 292kbps (SP)ATRAC 146kbps (MONO)ATRAC3 132kbps (LP2)ATRAC3 105kbpsATRAC3 66kbps (LP4)are the NetMD/MDLP modes, whereas the high quality of the ATRAC modes is only available by realtime recording - 105kbps is not available for realtime recording but only by USB transfer.Pre-NetMD/MDLP units like the MZ-R70 only support the two ATRAC modes. Stereo (SP) is about 1:5 lossy high quality compressed audio, read about it here and here. Pre-NetMD/MDLP units don't support faster than realtime USB transfer.Neither pre-NetMD nor NetMD can upload recordings digitally faster than realtime, you'll need either a deck with digital outputs or go the analogue route. Read more about it here. You'll get decompressed lossy audio, which consumes as much space as a regular pcm file but has gone through a generation of loss. HiMD is the way to go for convenient recording and uploading.These are the Hi-MD modes. Edited January 19, 2006 by greenmachine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninetynine Posted February 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 hmm, so do the net md's record in WAV format when using a microphone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamer Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 No, Atrac SP/LP2 or LP4, which are lossy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 (edited) Atrac 3+ is for me much better than old atrac codec especially in 256kbps (hiSp) and 352KBPS: for example I don't have artifacts with Miles Davis trumpet anymore and transitory sounds are sharpest.Of course PCM mode for full enjoying of music is great! Edited February 28, 2006 by garcou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cat Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Recently I started to notice whistling artefacts in almost all my live mic recordings in Hi-SP.Pretty annoying as I'll probably have to go buy some more 1GB discs to switch to PCM recording...Also it was really nice to be able to record for 5 hours uninterrupted. I mean, before I learned to hear the artefacts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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