burns3016 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) Hi ! Just purchased my 3rd Hi-MD unit (via massive sale at Minidisc Australia) & picked up the MZ-NH900 for $199.00, after earlier purchasing the MZ-NHF800 & the MZ-NH600. I am very pleased with all 3 models, especially the NH900. However, up to now I have been using two sets of headphones: 1. SONY Streetstyle: MDR-G56 (the type that wrap around the back of your head). 2. SONY MDR-E828 bud-style phones. I want to upgrade (although the MDR-E828's provide a sound that I'm reasonably OK with) to take advantage of the HD-digital amplifier in the MZ-NH900. I've been considering 2 different sets: 1. Sennheisser PX-100 2. SONY MDR-EX71SLI have heard great things about both sets, and I know they both sell for approx. $100 Aust. So , is there anybody out there with some advice or experience with both &/or either set ?Update on my headphones situation: I just got a hold of a pair of Audio-Technica ATH-CM7 by accident. Does anybody have an opinion on these earphones ? I will give them a go & post an opinion. Also, i think I will go with the Senn.PX-100 as an upgrade if the Audi-Technica do not satisfy me.Many thanxz jrhughes, MDGB2 & sebastianbf ! Edited January 21, 2006 by burns3016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhughes Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I have had the Sennheiser PX-100 for some time. They are very comfortable, but the low end is rather too overblown for me. Bass is far too loose and things generally sound "distant". After some research, I went for the PX-200 and I think they are perfect - for the price - as long as a) they are seated quite low-down on the ears and they are run-in for a while. Lovely, tight, deep bass and well balanced mid/highs. I am so pleased with them that I got a second pair. Just in case.I also have the Sony EX71SL. I can't wear "normal" earbuds since one of my ears lacks the recess for the bud to sit in. I thought I'd give these canal-type phones a go, to see if they'd stay in. well, they do, and they sound good. Overly shrill at first, but that is improving as they are running-in. Bass is very powerful - sometimes a little too powerful for my liking - and is highly dependant on the fitting within the ear. That is, make sure they are in properly and that you're using the correct silicone plug for your ear canal size.Cheers,Jason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGB2 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 The PX100s are very good, but if you can get the PX200s for a decent price, go for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastianbf Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I think i'm gonna buy a pir of px200. about the mdrex71's ... had a pair of those and they're very fragile. The cable is made from some kind of soft rubber instead of plastic. Had to send mine for an exchange (because of defective cable) and I'm still waiting for an answer. Wish me luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burns3016 Posted January 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I think i'm gonna buy a pir of px200. about the mdrex71's ... had a pair of those and they're very fragile. The cable is made from some kind of soft rubber instead of plastic. Had to send mine for an exchange (because of defective cable) and I'm still waiting for an answer. Wish me luck!Firstly, thanx heaps for the opinions jrhughes, MDGB2 & sebastianbf !Now an update on my headphone situation: I just got a hold of a pair of Audio-Technica ATH-CM7 by accident. Does anybody have an opinion on these earphones ? I will give them a go & post an opinion. Also, i think I will go with the Senn.PX-100 as an upgrade if the Audi-Technica do not satisfy me.Many thanxz jrhughes, MDGB2 & sebastianbf ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastianbf Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 WOW! I've just looked at the audiotechnica earphones specs. They look amazing to me man! Freq. response from 10 to 45000 !! Where did you get them? and what about the price? . I would love to have that kind of "accidents". lol . Post a mini review of them in here, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 small question for the more knowledgable here on MDCF: as human hearing doesn't reach far above 20kHz nor far under 20Hz, what good does such a frequency range do?? Is it just complete sales-bull or is there a reason for a wider range than one can actually hear? And how "trustworthy" are those ranges given on product pages...I mean, who checks that stuff... or could we actually use it as an argument when shopping around?Disclaimer: I do not say these are bad phones (I do not know them actually) and honestly the ones I use (Panasonic RP-JE50) are rated as 6-23k Hz, which could be just as pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 (edited) small question for the more knowledgable here on MDCF: as human hearing doesn't reach far above 20kHz nor far under 20Hz, what good does such a frequency range do?? Is it just complete sales-bull or is there a reason for a wider range than one can actually hear? And how "trustworthy" are those ranges given on product pages...I mean, who checks that stuff... or could we actually use it as an argument when shopping around?Disclaimer: I do not say these are bad phones (I do not know them actually) and honestly the ones I use (Panasonic RP-JE50) are rated as 6-23k Hz, which could be just as pointlessEven if some of these extreme responses were true, we wouldn't hear it anyway. Some claim we could 'feel' some of these 'out of range' responses unconsciously, but personally i'm not one of those believers.Without specifying a norm or tolerance the frequency range specification is totally pointless. It could be +-20dB. With a tight tolerance of say 1-3dB it could be much narrower. Besides, it doesn't tell anything about linearity/neutrality.Question: How would you define the upper and lower frequency in this extreme example of non-linear response? What looks better --- 200-2000Hz +-3dB -- or -- 20-20000Hz without specifying the tolerance?[attachmentid=1327]What about this one?[attachmentid=1328] Edited January 21, 2006 by greenmachine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastianbf Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Oh! so how can we know if a pair of headphones are better than others looking at the specs only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 It's the same as with musical instruments: Never buy without trying. If you can't, try to find some reviews/opinions at least. Ignore the specifications to a great part. Even 2$ earphones are often rated with a 20-20000Hz response, and you know how they sound in reality, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 thanks greenmachine... I somewhat figured you'd contribute to this thread this kinda confirms my suspicions, don't believe the hype no really, I wished there was some 'standardisation' in specs and also a good guide for eager shoppers to teach them (and me) what to look for. It simply isn't always possible to try before buying... Belgium simply isn't good for electronics so I'm often buying from the net based on reviews/tips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastianbf Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 same as me. reviews on the internet are very subjetives tough. When i bought the mdr-ex71 I read reviews on many web pages, almost all of them were: vety good earphones...yata yata yata. When I got them, i was very dissapointed, i was expecting a much better sound. So, the thing with headphones reviews is that many people that write the reviews are used to ear their electronics audio devices with stock buds, so when they hear something like ex71's the difference is tremendous, so they give to them 4-5 stars. ummm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bass_Man Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 same as me. reviews on the internet are very subjetives tough. When i bought the mdr-ex71 I read reviews on many web pages, almost all of them were: vety good earphones...yata yata yata. When I got them, i was very dissapointed, i was expecting a much better sound. So, the thing with headphones reviews is that many people that write the reviews are used to ear their electronics audio devices with stock buds, so when they hear something like ex71's the difference is tremendous, so they give to them 4-5 stars. ummmI can only speak for the PX100s, but I think they are tremendous both in terms of sound quality and value for money.I had to wait a while for mine because at the time I ordered them they were allegedly in short supply due to "unprecedented demand". They were, however worth the wait.Plenty of bottom-end (others have said possibly a tad too much!) but I set all my MD players, etc to "flat EQ" (ie no bass enhancement or whatever) and the result suits my hearing perfectly.And they are so light that it is easy to forget you are wearing phones (this can be dangerous if you are plugged in to your amp, and you stand up too quickly ... ).Oh by the way, this is before "burning in" ha ha ha ... !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 thanks greenmachine... I somewhat figured you'd contribute to this thread this kinda confirms my suspicions, don't believe the hype no really, I wished there was some 'standardisation' in specs and also a good guide for eager shoppers to teach them (and me) what to look for. It simply isn't always possible to try before buying... Belgium simply isn't good for electronics so I'm often buying from the net based on reviews/tipsDetailed and accurate frequency response graphs could be a rough orientation point, but how many headphones did you see with such graphs on the cover? Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrain Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 the sony 8x8 series had the graphs but if i recall correctly they didn't have much detail on the axis, creating a pretty picture, not a statement proved through plotted points.i have always doubted if most phones can even get close to reproducing the stated freq.s - i mean who'd know? my theory is it's like a speedo on a car, how many entry level hatchbacks do you see hitting 240kms/hour on the street? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic_rage Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 PX100s without question. The sound can't get any better and the build quality is excellent.The EX71 canalphones have a very muddy sound to it and the bass isn't as nearly as clean as the PX100s. I was very disappointed when i got them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burns3016 Posted January 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 WOW! I've just looked at the audiotechnica earphones specs. They look amazing to me man! Freq. response from 10 to 45000 !! Where did you get them? and what about the price? . I would love to have that kind of "accidents". lol . Post a mini review of them in here, please!Thanxz for your interest sebastianbf. A friend got me a pair from eBay from a store called AVNetShop. Here is the link to the winning bid with an item description: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1They were purchased for $5.04 (Australian dollars AU) plus $5.00 postage! Good price ! The bidding started at 0.99c AU and generally a pair would sell for approx. $30 - $50 AU $. So a $5.05 AU $ bid would be placed each time in the hope that a pair would "slip-through" the bidding-net. And they did ! It took about twenty bids at that price until it happened. It just as likely may have never happened, but call it luck, it did. The seller probably wasn't too happy though !This particular seller usually sells a few at auction and also has a few pair for sale at $69.00 Australian dollars. Here is the link for a "buy-it-now" option:http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Brand-New-Audio-Tec...3QQcmdZViewItemAlso, here is the store link: http://stores.ebay.com.au/The-AVnetshopAs to a review, I have not used them much at all. But what I have heard sounds encouraging. They appear to have a very clear sound, with well-defined bass (not that bloated type sound) and the highs etc. are not distorted at high volumes, nor have I experienced any "ringning" at higher volume levels.I will update my findings. Perhaps this so-called "burn-in" will improve them with age, like a good wine ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones52 Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I have the EX71's and am very happy with them, the bass is great but the treble is not as crisp as I would like. They are very comfortable to wear and mine came with a cord which splits in two so you can use your remote control without a ridiculously long wire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastianbf Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Thanks for all the info burns. How do they sound, tell us.Matt, don't you think that the ex71 have too much treble? Also, be careful woth the cable since it's made of some kind of rubber, very fragile one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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