duancg Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Since I forget when, I only visit MDCF occasionally because of various reasons. Today, I was trying to catch up with the latest, and soon saw this post:http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=16956It reminds me why I didn't come here every often... It is not that don't like MD, not that I don't apprecciate the work of people on this forum, neither that I cannot get help from here. But, as non-active contributor, I don't feel that I am part of it. It feels like one of the places where you come read, learn, and ask questions carefully, and then after sometime you leave. Maybe it is because the house keeping attitude (which I remember being discussed before), or something else, I don't know.Don't get me wrong, I still love this forum. But I am afraid it is not like a friend you can relax and talk to.Just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrain Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Since I forget when, I only visit MDCF occasionally because of various reasons. Today, I was trying to catch up with the latest, and soon saw this post:http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=16956It reminds me why I didn't come here every often... It is not that don't like MD, not that I don't apprecciate the work of people on this forum, neither that I cannot get help from here. But, as non-active contributor, I don't feel that I am part of it. It feels like one of the places where you come read, learn, and ask questions carefully, and then after sometime you leave. Maybe it is because the house keeping attitude (which I remember being discussed before), or something else, I don't know.Don't get me wrong, I still love this forum. But I am afraid it is not like a friend you can relax and talk to.Just my 2 centsfair enough, just so you know you are welcome, if you are comfortable or not. i left that thread open because imo jaylen was trying to do a service to the community at large, not making a personal attack on one poster regardless of how it turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylen Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Wow. Since I was brought up, I'd love to reply. Adrian: Thank you for the love, but I think the basis of this thread lies deeper than my recent posts.duancg: You tried to "catch up with the latest" and you read a nearly 4-week old Classifieds ad? I'm sorry, but I can't help but think that you're using (maybe stockpiling?) these "bad" threads as fuel for your Why-MDCF-is-so-nasty argument (see: http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?s=&am...ost&p=79828). So it seems as if you've had your issues with this forum since 2005 and before my time here (I joined in 2006), thus I'm not taking it personally that you chose to point me out today. I’m just convenient to help your argument, eh? Note: These bad threads are one out of hundreds. Keep in mind that MDCF is actually docile compared to most forums so when an argument does come about, it will definitely be noticeable. “ But, as non-active contributor, I don't feel that I am part of it.”Of course. If you don’t actively contribute, how can you expect to feel like you’re a part of anything? LOL Common sense, no?As for you not feeling that you are "part of it," I hate to say it, but that is really your own fault. Don’t blame the threads and bad posters. Don’t blame the moderators. And, don’t blame the forum as a whole for your lack of participation. What it all boils down to is YOU not making the most of your time at and membership to this forum. Just judging by your previous posts, it looks like you can hold a conversation. If a handful of bad threads keeps you away from here, then that is a personal obstacle that you should overcome if you want to be a part of MDCF or any forum community for that matter. The Mods can’t control everyone and everything. It is up to the members to make something happen. If you see a thread, member, or post that offends or disheartens you, do something about it – report it or reply to it. Or, do what most people do; ignore it if it doesn’t immediately concern you or doesn't unavoidably grate on your nerves. Don’t just sit there and whine about MDCF, point some fingers, pout as to why you don’t drop by more often, and then leave for a while only to return to start/join the circle of complaints all over again.Look, I’m not telling you to post more, come by every day, or become some kind of forum vigilante. But, I am asking you to not judge the entire forum by a few bad threads that sprout up every once in a while. It isn’t fair to the forum and its members and most importantly, it isn’t fair to you. Don’t deprive yourself of becoming a part of the group. Secondly, please keep an open mind and don’t let past issues get in the way and keep you away. Thirdly, to become a part of something, you MUST contribute. You can’t expect people to cater to and coddle you all the time. MDCF is a good place – maybe not for long lasting friendships, but definitely for information and entertainment. A bad apple here and there isn’t going to change that. I know you know that, too. So, stop focusing on what’s bad and make the personal effort to try to find some good.Thank you for listening. And now, a word from our sponsors… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielbb90 Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 err, I wanna be the spenser err sponsor! Intresting developement in these 2 replys. I have never seen the subject shift so fast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 There's not really much else I can say here, suffice to add my support to what has already been said. Regarding the original classified thread, like Adrian I kept an eye on it and whilst potentially the situation could have boiled over, Jaylen had raised some very valid concerns which I thought merited keeping the discussion going for a while to see how it all panned out. You know we have 44000 members here (give or take a couple of thousand spammers) and it's quite a tightrope walk to keep everybody 100% happy 100% of the time. Like Adrian says everyone here is welcome regardless of what they think and whatever axe they have to grind. But maybe, if there's something you really don't like about the forum, let us know - we can only go so far to change it unless you help us out with a bit of constructive criticism and go from being non-active to active. This is a forum and discussion is encouraged. What's more we're not impossible to talk to you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielbb90 Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 (edited) yeh, with that amount of members it is impossiable to not to get some peoples backs up.I live in a house of 4 and whatever you do gets one of us annoyed! (me beeing the youngest)There really is no chance to be 100% perfect! [my 2 cents] Edited September 28, 2006 by danielbb90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDX-400 Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 “ But, as non-active contributor, I don't feel that I am part of it.”Of course. If you don’t actively contribute, how can you expect to feel like you’re a part of anything? LOL Common sense, no?LMAO I was reading the first post and thinking the same thing.Other than that I can say I'm not on here on a daily basis either and check in only once-in-a-while. Still I have no problems. I don't get the pointing out of that one thread either. Because there we had someone selling something and then Jaylen was simply trying to make sure that the condition of the item was being properly and truly represented. The seller clearly didn't want to do that at first and then got upset when someone called him on it. Which is ridiculous IMO. Like he was asking something about what honesty had to do with it? LOL. Trying to sell somethign and then asking why honesty is important. Makes about as much sense as the argument of 'I don't contribute and I don't feel a part of it' LOL.Anyway obviously that for-sale thread has come and gone, so no real point in talking about it now. Still I find no problem with it. If you've ever been ripped off on the internet, bought something that was misrepresented, etc. you would appreciate the discussion in that thread, not complain about it. Sure it wasn't 100% "friendly" but someone telling you one thing about something their selling and having it not be true isn't exactly friendly either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duancg Posted September 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 fair enough, just so you know you are welcome, if you are comfortable or not. i left that thread open because imo jaylen was trying to do a service to the community at large, not making a personal attack on one poster regardless of how it turned out.I appreciate your thoughts and action on that thread. If there is one suggestion that I would give, your closing comment could be simply "off-topic". Because I smelled smoke from both sides (YMMV), so better not to show your personal preference at that moment. This normally results in more credits on moderator role.As for who is right or wrong, it is often hard to say.There's not really much else I can say here, suffice to add my support to what has already been said. Regarding the original classified thread, like Adrian I kept an eye on it and whilst potentially the situation could have boiled over, Jaylen had raised some very valid concerns which I thought merited keeping the discussion going for a while to see how it all panned out. You know we have 44000 members here (give or take a couple of thousand spammers) and it's quite a tightrope walk to keep everybody 100% happy 100% of the time. Like Adrian says everyone here is welcome regardless of what they think and whatever axe they have to grind. But maybe, if there's something you really don't like about the forum, let us know - we can only go so far to change it unless you help us out with a bit of constructive criticism and go from being non-active to active. This is a forum and discussion is encouraged. What's more we're not impossible to talk to you know... As much as I love to contribute to this forum, I often find it hard to sqeeze time to do so. But you are right that my original post may not be as constructive as it should, my fault. I tried to make it up with my earlier post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylen Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Quick! Multiple choice time. #1http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=16956It reminds me why I didn't come here every often... #2As much as I love to contribute to this forum, I often find it hard to sqeeze time to do so.So which one is it? Do you not come here often because of bad threads or because of your lack of time? (Don't answer that. I was only being rhetorical.) Contradicting your own opinion, in my opinion - lol, just makes you look, well, unopinionated. Before you make any comments on the moderating being done at this forum or give any tips on how to moderate, I highly suggest you spend MORE time here to make an informed judgment of the hard work that these guys do ... for FREE, every day, every week, every mo... eh, you catch my drift. You say you love this forum, but all of your comments have been somewhat negative thus far (towards members, moderators, and the forum as a whole). Saying it and meaning it are 2 different things. I surely hope that you will re-think and re-read what has been said here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 duancg, what right do you have to criticise the moderators? Even you said it yourself that you are not an active member, so why does it matter if this forum isn't to your liking? Maybe if you were more active or contributed more to the forum you would have a right to criticise the moderators. Even so the moderators cannot possibly keep everybody happy, one opinion of a member of the board does not represent the whole forum. That applies to me alos, if you don't like waht i say, hey its coming from me. You have the same privilages as every other member here on the board, excluding premium members. Meaning you are jsut as welcome as anybody else, everyone is treated the same, what you are doing now is drawing negative attention to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duancg Posted September 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 duancg, what right do you have to criticise the moderators? Even you said it yourself that you are not an active member, so why does it matter if this forum isn't to your liking? Maybe if you were more active or contributed more to the forum you would have a right to criticise the moderators. Even so the moderators cannot possibly keep everybody happy, one opinion of a member of the board does not represent the whole forum. That applies to me alos, if you don't like waht i say, hey its coming from me. You have the same privilages as every other member here on the board, excluding premium members. Meaning you are jsut as welcome as anybody else, everyone is treated the same, what you are doing now is drawing negative attention to yourself.Really become a serious discussion...I thought this is a sub-forum for even rants OK. I believe everyone (I mean everyone) have equal rights to complain about things that she/he thinks is wrong, without personal attacks. So I did, as well as giving some constructive suggestion after moderator asked. If some of the words are too generalized and offended innocent people on this forum, I do applogize. But I hope we don't have to ask the question "How many posts should a member reply before he/she has the right to complain?".Since we are digging deeper on this, the thing that I don't like is using harsh words or trying to disdain others. Because I don't think there is anything serious enough on this forum that we have to do those. Everyone make mistakes, that's OK; and showing the truth is good enough. Harsh words or sterotyping goes a bit too far. That is like saying "Everyone is welcomed as long as you don't ...". Is that what we really meant in the welcome notes?BTW, although I disagree, I don't dislike you post. And thanks, I knew I would draw some negative feedback even before I started this thread, but thought it might worth speaking out.Anyway, if we all believe people are equally willing to make this forum better, we can continue discussing this; otherwise, I better go do more posts to earn some rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrain Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 duancg, hang around a little more. start some other threads. but not to earn merit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylen Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 A person's post count isn't a reflection of how much more their opinions are valued over others'. If you want to participate more and bump up your post numbers, then go for it. But don't do it thinking that it will make people listen to you more because it certainly will not.Because I don't think there is anything serious enough on this forum that we have to do those. Everyone make mistakes, that's OK; and showing the truth is good enough.Using this forum to sell used electronics is a serious matter to me, especially if it involves transactions of hundreds of dollars. I don't want to see any members being misled or cheated. I'm surprised that you didn't bring up this thread as it is much newer than the other thread that you linked: http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=16937. Not exactly friendly either, huh? Now go tell King Ghidora about how there's nothing serious enough on this forum.You've had some complaint about this MDCF-needs-to-be-friendlier topic since last year. Different (and sometimes conflicting) personalities will make it difficult for this forum to be 100% friendly all the time and no one, not even the Mods, can control for that. It's just like how "real life" is. You simply have to learn to deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 A person's post count isn't a reflection of how much more their opinions are valued over others'. If you want to participate more and bump up your post numbers, then go for it. But don't do it thinking that it will make people listen to you more because it certainly will not.well said jaylensee duancg how he understands what i mean by "contributing" more? i try my best not to go around and spam so i can rack up my post count, i try my best to post something that would be useful around here. having more post counts doesn't mean people will respect you more, its more about the quality then quantity. i really don't want to say this but if you dislike this forum then don't come back. you have also tried to sell something that was used more then just for "uploading". start posting more meaningful things and maybe people will take another look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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