PlayStation 3

[JSP62]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159254.html

Grreeeeeeeeaat! Sony what are you guys doing there?

The article above is a situation where PS3's were being showcased at a Tokyo game show and needed to be rebooted several times. Sony's reponse . . . all PS3 units were overheating due to the close proximity of other hardware and space confinements.

The only concern is, what could happen when a consumer places in their 'setup' along with other hardware and also the space it is confined too. Who is to say this won't happen to one of us.

Poor Sony. Anything that goes wrong no matter how small and insignificant will be scrutinized. . . . then again if Sony handled itself better, they wouldn't have to worry about this now would they?

Only a few more months before the release, who is excited??

[Tiesto]

I think that the hd would be meant for the people who want online services (games, video, music, etc.) therefore the hd should be optional hardware.

it's funny to read about this conjecture now. Im not worry about the PS3, Im willing to wait for a significant price drop, even if that means a year long

[JSP62]

it's funny to read about this conjecture now. Im not worry about the PS3, Im willing to wait for a significant price drop, even if that means a year long

I agree with you. As much as I would like to get my paws on one, waiting seems to be the choice right now.

[JSP62]

Has anyone pre-ordered (USA) a PS3 yet?

I tried to pre-order a Wii, but I couldn't get one =(

Edited October 16, 2006 by JSP62

[hk_loves_u]

I think the overheating problem at TGS will not affect anything, i think alot of gaming units (my ps2 adapter) gets hot after several hours of playing, since the adapter is built in it the ps3 will feel hot, also it was being opened for over 7hrs while TGS was opened each day so rebooting should be necessary, i have seen demo consoles requiring resets at eb games and other electronics stores. So no problem ps3 will be a great console! although cost will be high=[ But i will have to wait til march before even thinking if i should buy itxD

[JSP62]

I have made up my mind on whether to purchase a PS3 or not. With the recent bad PR PS3 has received, the high cost, and also the availability, I have decided putting off getting one. I plan to get one once the price has gone down and also the supplies fill, but I understand this could be 1yr+. I no longer have the burning desire to go out an purchase one right away.

Instead, I have my mind set on getting a Wii. Initial responses have been positive and the likelihood of getting my hands on one of these is much better than the PS3. Also the price, with the cost of $250 I can handle that. I also heard that the software will be upgradeable, which could be a posibility of a linux based OS.....can you say firmware mods? It is too early to know about that, but what is important is that the innovation of Nintendo's 3d controller is something new and a breath of fresh air amist the game console war. It's a happy thought that I will be able to play the next Mario, Zelda, and Metroid installment.

So my mind is made up, how about you others? What's your train of thought.

[RedemptioN419]

I think so many people are doing what you just mentioned above. Some people have already purchased an XBox360 and have already made up plans to also buy a Nintendo Wii.

At the beginning of the year, I had made up my mind to get a PS3. But since the pushing of my brother to get a 360 instead, we got one. And since then, I do not regret it. I don't think you need a PS3 to get the top notch in HD Gaming. Have you heard in the news that the 360 will feature an upgrade later this fall that will enable 1080p resolution? I'm still pretty skeptical about that.

[navsimpson]

I'm pretty excited about the PS3, more for its extra-gaming functions than anything else. But right now, the $800 CDN (I'd want the premium) for the system plus a game plus tax is just impossible to justify. I literally could buy a car that would last me a year for that much money. I, like many others, agree that while technically speaking the PS3 is 'good value for money' - i.e. $659 for a blu-ray player and a cell processor and media centre-ish thing is 'reasonable' - it's just way out of most people's budgets. I don't mean this in the sense that a lot of ~20-34 yr olds couldn't scrape the money together, but that they simply couldn't justify it given the other choices on the market, the uncertainty of blu-ray and that the 360 will probably perform those extra-gaming functions just as well.

-Nav

[JSP62]

anyone pre-order a ps3 or a wii??

[navsimpson]

Nope - way too slow on the draw (or off the draw, I forget how that saying goes exactly) and what few pre-orders there were in Canada disappeared quickly. As much as I enjoy gaming, I'm just not one of those people who can stand in line for hours for something that's ostensibly for entertainment value.

Can't justify a PS3 right now, but if I can get my hands on a Wii, I think I'd pony up the dough, just for an xmas treat for myself. Trouble is, I'm not really into Zelda and I don't see any launch titles I like. In fact, the thing I'm most excited about is downloading Street Fighter II and Gunstar Heroes... Am I nuts?

Edited November 10, 2006 by navsimpson

[JustAnUnCoolCat]

Now if we were talking a Cell Processor based transportable PC or similar, such as that proof-of-technology comms system based on the processor technology made for military application, now we'd be talking serious virtual kit-e-kat funds being diverted to the sourcing/buying cause, as such a beast would certainly be purrfect a basis for many a project once the programming ref etc was there to be got

But all this, to waste on a mere games/entertainment unit (bearing in mind that all the features of the PS3 have been, in some shape or form, replicated with far less unknown quantity super processers and the careful choice of good specific hardware, and in some cases, damn simple RISC based chips in embedded app scenarios) is almost a crime in my book.

Think of it like this - Sony produce mega-bucks laptops and desktops, so surely this architecture that's gonna be squandered on gaming mostly..., would have been the purrfect way of introducing a new processor type in power user applications - hell, if this processor type is a fraction of what it's been hyped out to be, it'd be easily capable of running native code in MT type use in supercomputer kind of performance levels, and most certainly could be running x86 software in emulation (or 64-bit stuff non-native under an emulator) much like the DEC Alpha-based PC's did - only a hell of a lot better performance under the emulation/compatibility layer use.

Hell, what linux hacker out there wouldn't want to get paws dirty with a cell-proc based unit (or even a butchered PS3) and implement a full Deb or similar distro rolled for the processor type.. and add all the currently common Linux enviroment compatibility/emulation layers..

Who knows, in that scenario, there could even be scope for an emulation to almost be as quick as say a high-resource-demand 64-bit game or app (ordinarily needing one mega top-spec PC in memory/chipset/processor terms) and only running on what is essentially.. a console (admittedly, of near or the top of the pecking order for evolution).

Personally, despite it's relative 'ordinary' (by comparision) base hardware, i strongly suspect the XBOX 360 will become the box of choice - after all, what was done with the old XBOX to free it's POSIX heart of it's software into a full-blown Nix box is almost certainly gonna be replicated in time with the 360 maybe to better effect.

And as anyone involved or a fan of *Nix knows, a piece of kit aint dead or pointless til it's literally serving no purpose at all - so the console that can be reprogrammed and re-applied to other purposes when it's commericial heyday is long a matter of computing prehistory, is definately the winner in my eyes for innovation that works and did something really right beyond being 'the baddest dude' on the circuit.

Anyone who, at this time, feels the urge to (at risk of seeming nuts or insane) not go doing a lemming impression to hand over life blood to have their fav new Sony toy in their sweaty paws like it was a real honour to have one of the initial release in your country, is a cool character in my book.

If it is the true killer device it's hyped to be, it will be still so a year or so later when prices and availability are in the region of sane.

'Tom Kat'

[JSP62]

SF II is a nice game. Capcom has some real good games that I am sure they will be making titles for the Revolution. There are alot titles I would love to see... Metroid, Zelda, and of course Super Mario. They are classics that I love. Wouldn't it be great to see new versions of the classics? Some Excite Bike, RC Pro-Am, Punch out. This controller of Nintendo's could make things interesting for sure.

[JSP62]

Interesting article I just read.

Thought I would post for you others to see. Thus the saga of the PS3 continues...where it'll go ....no one knows.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5958

Thoughts, comments, hate mail anyone???

Who has a PS3 thus far?? How do you like it? I know you must have one Ishi

Well, it has been some time coming here. Hope you all are doing well.

Edited February 2, 2007 by JSP62

[ender325_]

Interesting article I just read.

Thought I would post for you others to see. Thus the saga of the PS3 continues...where it'll go ....no one knows.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5958

Thoughts, comments, hate mail anyone???

Who has a PS3 thus far?? How do you like it?

I for one would love to have one right now (the 60GB version of course) for many reasons. What is holding me back is the price and since it costs $600 plus taxes...totalling $642 or so...and I will obviously buy the extended warranty which costs $70....totalling $712 . Nah I guess I'll wait until Sony drags down that price, it's just too much to ask. I know I am whining about the price and the fact that that console costs even more on some other countries, but Sony needs to lower that as soon as possible or they will face serious consequences. I miss the old days when a console costed $300...but now two of the three consoles are more like media centers and so they are asking for more money, sad but true .

[Jerex]

Hi guys,

I'm new here and just thought I'd ad a quick comment on the PS3 debate. I think a lot of the negative press of the PS3 is slightly undeserved.

I recently bought a 60GB PS3. I live in Hong Kong and for some reason it is cheaper here than most places. The 60GB model is HK$3780 which works out to be about US$484. This is for just the machine without any games.

I agree with all of you that for a console it seems really expensive, however, it also depends on how you look at it. Blu-Ray disc players have now hit the market from the major manufacturers (Sony, Pioneer, Samsung etc.) and the cheapest one at the moment is still nearly double the price of the PS3! In Hong Kong the cheapest Blu-Ray player is the Samsung, costing just under HK$8000 (US$1024). Taking into account that the PS3 can play Blu-Ray movies, it is currently the cheapest player on the market by far, half the price of pretty much all the dedicated players. And all the reviews of the Blu-Ray movie playback say it is as good as the best players out there (as good as the Pioneer and Sony players and better than the Samsung player). Then of course you have a state of the art next-gen games console with pretty much everything you could think of!

After using it for the past few weeks, I am honestly amazed with how much technology Sony has managed to integrate into it. The very impressive CELL CPU and RSX GPU, Blu-Ray, HDMI, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, 60GB HDD, USB and memory card slots and more. It really is quite an amazing feat. You're getting a amazingly powerful games console, multimedia machine and Blu-Ray player for the price of a budget PC. Looking at it this way, you could even go as far as calling it a good deal!

I bought it primarily as a games console, the Blu-Ray/media playback is secondary to me. On both counts so far I have been impressed. I only have two games at the moment, Ridge Racer 7 and Resistance, but both are excellent games in my opinion. I have been quite a long time fan of the Ridge Racer series, and RR7 is probably the best one. Resistance is truly a masterpiece, one of the best first person shooters of recent memory.

The game library is very limited at the moment, but there is lots to look forward to and I am certain as developers learn the hardware more, the games will be even more impressive. I think this generation will be much tougher for Sony and they haven't done themselves any favours with all the delays/problems etc. However I think that at the end of the day they have delivered a very impressive piece of hardware with a lot of potential and lots of great games in the pipeline.

Edited February 5, 2007 by Jerex

[ender325_]

Hey Jerex welcome ! I understand there is potential, I for one would love to *keeps ranting* save some money for it but since there are more priorities like college, etc. then I'm afraid I won't be able to buy it for a while. Paying $712 is no easy chore (you paid less and that translates you being happier than the rest lol), yes granted, there is potential but the ticket to experience it is um...well you know, enough ranting. I do think the PS3 is the most advanced console of the three. I grabbed my brother's X360 and in my opinion physically it feels cheap, the media functionality is good, yeah, but I have a preference towards the PSP's (and now PS3's) interface. I am very glad on how you're seeing the PS3's value factor (some just see the price nothing else) but we must also see those who only want a games console and not a media center. Technology advances and Sony is full of it, they just need to think more about those who can't pay more than $300 or $400, the rest is smooth sailing as long as good games come for the console.

[CoyBoy]

I managed to get a hold of a PS3 and I must say it is worth every penny. The quality of the video and audio on it is amazing. It can rip your CD's to ATRAC, MP3 or even AAC. I plugged my NW-HD1 into the USB port and all of my music instantly appeared, cover art and all. You can even transfer tracks from the PS3's HDD straight to the Walkman! No need for SonicStage at all! And since the PS3 goes online as soon as you insert the CD and fetches the atist\album info you can keep your music organized. Not to mention playback of my ATRAC files through the PS3 (which is connected via optical cable to my 5.1 surround home theatre) is exquisite. It also supports SACD's but I don't have any to try out.

As far as the games go, as of right now, Resistance: Fall of Man is a no-brainer. I also picked up Fight Night just to have something that the boys can play when we are al hanging out having some beers. Other than that, the library isn't going to get any better til the PS3 hits Europe in March.

A real cool bonus is that it plays all of my PS2 games wirelessly (60GB model only).One of the reasons why I hardly ever went online with the PS2 was that I had to drag a wire 30 feet from my router to the PS2. Now with the PS3's WiFi and backwards compatibility, I can revisit a ton of my old games.

I am really happy with what Sony has accomplished. Time will prove that Sony was thinking ahead into the future with the PS3.

[Guest Stuge]

IMO in India Sony is going little bit backwards instead of telling us when they will release PS3 ,they are promoting PS2 here , like Few days back , I went to my University fest which was Sponsored by Sony & there they were trying to promote PS2 among College students . :o

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[Guest Stuge]

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) has announced that they will reward the first 500,000 PlayStation 3 owners who have registered on the PLAYSTATION Network with a brand-new Casino Royale Blu-ray.

Casino Royale has already grossed a whopping $560 million at the box office around the globe, and has become the most successful Bond movie of all time. The movie will be handed in a 50GB dual-layer Blu-ray disc encoded in MPEG-4 AVC with 1080p true HD resolution and uncompressed audio.

“The PLAYSTATION®Network unlocks the broad range of interactive entertainment features of PLAYSTATION 3. It’s easy to set up, offers free online gaming, has great tools for staying in touch with friends and family, and includes a wide variety of content for download through the PLAYSTATION®Store," Darren Carter, VP Brand and Consumer Marketing explained the unique offer.

Source:

http://www.blasteroids.com/news/news_item.cfm/8652

[JSP62]

Europeans & PAL users get the short end of the stick. http://www.playfuls.com/news_06326_Sony_Of...mers_Again.html

That's crazy to pay $800 for the unit where it costs half that in Japan/US.

In the long run Sony will be on top........right? heh time will tell.

[ceres]

The exclusion of hardware needed previously to ensure backward compatibilty in favor of a software solution isn´t per se bad.

CELL should have enough power to emulate EE. So what it boils down to is how many games won´t be supported by new firmware upgrades.

As long as there are no hard facts out there, the story isn´t really worth much.

Also asking 599 may be harsh in terms of current games library quality/quantity it is not too much considering blue ray. There are lot of people out there that crave hd quality movies even at a higher cost. From today´s gamer´s point of view the price of blue ray drives up unit cost considerably. w/o blue ray the price point would have been around 399 along with the 360. It´s quite apparent that today´s gamer was not the only target group of Sony Corp. One could blame them for using this target group as a pawn in the hd war against hddvd but who knows where game capacity needs will be in only 2 years.

By then of course the 360 will also have another model out there with a hddvd drive at a lower cost as production will have matured.

I don´t see PS3 failing. Of course 360 is so good as a gaming machine that Sony won´t dominate as it did with PS2. But that was to expected given the quality of Microsoft and quite an achievement for Redmond. The consumer as well should benefit from a more competitive Market.

[JSP62]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6208

Euro models will not have Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer chip (EE+GS) that provides hardware-backward capability on most games. In order for Sony to accomplish backward capability they will be providing emulated programming code.

As the saying goes "You can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs". . . . What am I exactly saying?? Decisions made today, regardless of the negativity, from Sony effect the long-term results of the net gains from PS3 sales.

Also reference

http://www.playfuls.com/news_06339_How_Son..._in_Europe.html

All in all, one could say about PlayStation 3 now that it's expensive (especially in PAL territories), it's hard to program for, it has expensive and rather lame games, it severely discriminates gamers and doesn't fulfill their expectations concerning key features. Perspectives are also bad. That is a deadly combination in gamers' world. So why would they buy a PS3?

Couldn't say it better myself. Given a choice between something easy and something complicated . . . . Why would a programer (any game company) take a financial risk in development for PS3 titles?

As noted by ceres, one should keep in mind Sony made a move not just for the gamer but for the general consumer (Blu-Ray)....but still

Edited February 26, 2007 by JSP62

[Zizone_]

This is just about Sony's online support but this new "Home (free)" is very interesting and has huge potential.

I hope this will not lock regions but have world wide server.

Edited March 8, 2007 by Zizone

[Guest Stuge]

Sony India Just launched PS3 in India for Rs 40,000 ~$1000(US)

Sony India ad in yesterdays newspaper (Times of India )

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/robin345/getimage.png

[Sparda]

Oh, lol, that is sooo expensive. Why do they do that? In Canada it is also very expensive but at least not that bad, 60GB going at $699.99 CND.

[ceres]

Sony is losing ground quickly in the gaming market so we are likely to see major price cuts for the holiday season.

On the other hand PS3 in conjuntion with FW 1.8 is starting to build one hell of a record as a premium hd player.

Can´t have it all for cheap, I guess. At the same time MS is continuing to have serious problems with hardware quality. In fact, the extent of 360 hardware mischief is staggering. 360 is still selling mainly in the US, lackluster in Europe and nonexistant in Asia. At least in the struggle against the other hd machine Sony should be on top in a years time. That 360 thing is louder than my vacuum cleaner.

[Guest Stuge]

Man,Since PS3 is still too costly I'm still using PS2 .I cannot justify Rs40000 or $1000 for a gaming console .

[pata2001]

Man,Since PS3 is still too costly I'm still using PS2 .I cannot justify Rs40000 or $1000 for a gaming console .

Don't worry, the PS2 still has plenty of life left. Look a Xbox and Gamecube, the moment Xbox360 and Wii came out, development for the 2 older consoles went poof. Today, games are still being released on the PS2.

[Zizone_]

PS3 is 1000USD? or some other currency was it?

[pata2001]

PS3 is 1000USD? or some other currency was it?

Nope. When converted, that was the price in US dollar. Some electronics ARE actually more expensive in certain countries compared to the US, mainly due to taxes and/or duties.

[gotthat]

HongKong gets the best treatment and price beside of Japan, 459 USD for 60GB from day one until now for the price, the 20GB one is 406 USD, prices will drop further as expected, they have the PLAYSTATION®Network Card coming out soon