girotourvuelta Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I'm the schmuck that won the gold MZ-NH1 unit from Minidisco just recently...and am blown away by it. One thing I did notice: some of the pics show the USB cable plugged into the cradle. My cradle doesn't allow for it, though there is a traced "cut-out" where it looks like it SHOULD go. So, I can charge the unit in the cradle that looks like a piece of art but to synch...I have to take it out and lay it on the desk? Uhh...mm-kay Did sony just change this to allow direct cradle/USB charging and did I just get ver. 1.0? Just curious. It's def. something I can live with...but I gotta ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxc Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 The prototypes had a USB interface on the cradle, but in the end, about 1 month or so before actual final release, they changed the spec so that you can't transfer while the unit is in the cradle. When its connected via USB, the NH1 is powered by the USB but it doesn't charge the battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhangraman Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 On the production cradles, you'll even see the part where the cutout for the USB connector would have been. I think they realised rather late in the day that it was something of a disaster not being able to open the NH1 while in the cradle. The connector mount for the missing socket is still in the production cradles, as you can see. I can imagine the awkward silence in that product meeting :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxc Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Maybe I'm missing something, but why would it be bad to not be able to open the NH1 while in the cradle? I think it's more of a disaster not to have this feature than to make users eject the device to change discs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhangraman Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Regarding unintentional release, both MD/Hi-MD have locks on the releases to prevent ejects when it's not finished doing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxc Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Hmmmm I wouldn't think it would be a show stopper if you couldn't remove your disc while it was in the stand. Given the trade off between being able to use USB through the stand and not being able to eject the disc, I would take that trade off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhangraman Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Well, you're kind of right. I think that most usage patterns of the N10 / N1 will involve people ejecting the player from the cradle, swapping discs and sticking it back in again. I have asked about why they removed the socket and I haven't got a fully explanatory reply back. I think they rationalised it on the basis that the battery is not drained while the USB connection to the PC takes place. What I'm considering doing is to butcher the N10 cradle for it's socket, cut out the appropriate area on the NH1 cradle, solder in the socket and see what happens. It seems like too much trouble to be honest but I do find the entire plugging / unplugging / separate charging steps one step too much in comparison to my iPod Mini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 If you do so, please be gentle Bangra. :happy: Definitely keep us informed! Nice pics, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyther Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Yes, please be gentle... use a hammer. :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 What I'm considering doing is to butcher the N10 cradle for it's socket, cut out the appropriate area on the NH1 cradle, solder in the socket and see what happens.Not necessary. It will work. If not, you have to add the missing wires anyway. Then it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leland Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 I think what I would do is keep the charging cradle somewhere away from my PC (which already has too many wires and power plugs cluttering the floor). Perhaps put it in a convenient location to grab an go like on my dresser or in the Kitchen. Perhaps also a location where I might have it hooked up to some powered speakers. Then, its handy and charged when I want to use it. When I went to make MD's, just grab a cable and plug it in to the PC. In some respects it is better. When the USB is plugged in, the computer always has to recognize it regardless of whether you plan to download tracks or not. Sometimes I prefer to be able to charge a device (like my N10 or NW-HD1) without the computer being in the loop. I keep my HD1 usb cable unplugged most of the time for this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDfreak Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Making the USB-socket available isn't a very good idea. I contacted Sony about this and there is a reason why they left out the USB-connector. With the early versions of the NH1 (with USB-cradle) the NH1 had a change of overheating during high-speed data/audio-transfers for long times because the NH1 could not get enough cooling due to the cradle. So to prevent NH1 units to get damaged Sony decided to remove the USB-connector from the cradle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhangraman Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 I'm a freakin' genius. Really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xispe Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 wow! THAT LOOKS VERY COOL! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 ROTFLMAO!!! What's next? MD with water cooling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leland Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 That's great, bhangraman! :laugh: If you glued it directly to the unit, I can just imagine it bulging out of one's jacket pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwakrz Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I think sony is copping out of why they removed the USB port. I have used my NH1 for transfering lots of data via discs (No CD drive on the workstations I use). It involved moving 2GB of files from one PC to another (I didn't mind about the transfer rate) When I had put the info onto 1 1GB and a few 300MB discs the unit was 1 or 2 C above ambient. The unit itself felt cool. The only reason I can see that it would cause problems is if the charging circuit on the NH1 is not good at coping with a partly or fully charged being inserted into the cradle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I'm a freakin' genius. Really.What is the point? Seriously? :wacky: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 AHAHAHAH, now that is cool! Well Done. When I bought my MZ-NH1, that was one of the 1st things I realised... on all pics I had seen, the USB was coming out of the docking stand, and then when i looked, there was a cut out bit.. glued back in. Oh well, we'll have to wait and see some of the ideas 'creative' people come up with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhangraman Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 What is the point? Seriously? :wacky: It's so that girls will say "Is that a Hi-MD in your pocket or do you just have an enormous shlong?". Or it's a combination meat tenderiser and ATRAC player... ...It's a JOKE. Sony may attribute removing the dock connector to heat issues, but the area for the heat to dissipate doesn't really vary a great deal with or without the dock. My guess is that there are power-based issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 lol, I was just giving you a hard time. I'm actually quite fond of this idea, but I must disagree with the heatsink of choice. And no fan? Bah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Well, should he used this one: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Found here: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skmetal07 Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 hey! theres barely enough room for the memory cards now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 AHAHAHAHAHAHAH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblin Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 what is that? a model jet engine or a vacume cleaner? what is it with corps and not giving a straight answer? sony is giving me that cyberpunk feeling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 That is one HUGE fan, how on earth will the case fit over that!? :S Maybe when Sony was designing the cradle/docking stand, they should have put slits in the bottom or sides or something to let the 'heat' out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hopping Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 A easier soln. is to use PCM recording via Optic cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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