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Please don't double post! :sleep:

Grr. I get told off for saying that same thing. :sleep: :cool:

You mean R900?

Hah! Classic PCDPs. Where's my D-777...

NB Some modems do only bridged (like mine), while others have PPPoE/oA clients built in. Usually if the modem does native PPPoE, it *should* store the password, but if you get asked for one, you might be using XP to handle PPPoE. *sigh* I'm still waiting for line sync to get back up on mine. Damn Telstra.

^ Lo matey, did you lose your password?

At 5MB/s? And that's if you aren't using 128-bit WEP, which lets any of your neighbours tap into your network with ease. :laugh: I see your point tho. I'll probably end up with an Airport Express when I get my 12" PB next year. AirTunes, mmmm.

Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet. Alternative to PPPoA aka. over ATM. Yes, call the tech support guy here. PS. Wireless sucks. Gigabit for me. :happy:

Ahah! *spits pus all over kurisu* Well. It's not as easy as saying 1mW will give you the rated SPL. As aeriyn said, impedance plays a part, and let's not forget that sound is logarithmic in terms of power. To have something go twice as loud would require approximately ten times the amount of power. It's been said that most people can handle anywhere between 8 to 16 hours of listening with 85dB SPL at 1m. I'm not a ear specialist and I wouldn't dare prove the validity of these claims, but who knows.

Okay, Hi-LP > LP4. Do you usually tell someone who's looking for higher quality to use Hi-LP? Look above. It says "Hi-MD Sound Quality". Then read the thread starter's post. Why are we talking about LP4, hmm?

^^ Maybe. Thanks for the hint. :whatever: SoftMusic, I'm not too clear about what you need. You say you are recording lectures, which should mostly consist of voice recording, so what exactly is the issue with quality? Personally I'd use LP4 or Hi-LP for voice recording as long as it whatever that's being said is comprehensible. I'd probably be more concerned with battery life as you said, since Hi-MDs don't sport very long recording times.

^ EU N710 = 1.2 + 1.2mW.

USD300 + ship. :laugh:

Did you not read what I said about power constrains? Obviously the Audigy drives headphones better. Just because it's got a higher output, does that mean better sound? For anyone who *cares* about sound quality, the Audigy 2 is not good. You obviously *care* or else you wouldn't be here. For the person who doesn't *care*, how the Hi-MD sounds is not going to matter at all. I didn't say anything about low end cards from "pro" brands. Did I not mention the RME and EMU? EMU = Creative, and a low end card trying to 'behave' like a pro (in terms of features) = Audigy. Whatever you're on about 'pro features' on consumer cards, I think you know that the Audigy DSPs are simply stripped down EMUs, so yes an Audigy will have some, or even quite a few, of the features that the EMU line has, but without the same quality components used in the EMU. When a track is mastered at loud levels and the peaks of the track go above 103dB on a CD, it will clip. When it is compressed, the dynamic range of the entire track is reduced which brings more parts of the track above 103dB, since the recording engineer will see this as an opportunity to raise the volumes further, leaving no overhead for peaks. Clipping occurs only when the level exceeds 103dB, and unless the track was mastered at above that level, neither compression nor mastering will be an actual cause to clipping, but both will usually go hand in hand in a poorly mastered track. Yes I am. If I told you the Cambridge Azur 640c CDP sounds brighter than the Marantz CD6000 OSE, would you have a clue on how that would sound? Or does that merely stay as a bunch of words to you? When authors do reviews, they do comparisons with other *similar* products. The point here being similar products. Reference points are used because they give the reader a better idea of what they're comparing it to, as I've said before. I've yet to see anyone do a detailed review and have comparisons with a computer sound card. When I did the NH3D review, I compared it with my N10 (previous gen 'top' MD portable of the same company) and the DS8 (digital amp from another company), and all of them had something in common. Let's see here. Your request for a comparison between the NH1 and a sound card makes even less sense than asking for a comparison with any CD player. You still don't get the fact that you ought to be a little more specific, don't you? The difference between CD players can be day and night, same goes for sound cards. Yet you're trying so hard to prove that whatever request you asked for made sense. How about this, why don't you just ask how the NH1 sounds like? Because your reference point doesn't make sense in the first place, different laptop models (even within the same brand) use different audio chipsets which result in different sound qualities, and there are way too many settings on a PC to even make it a fair comparison. You do know that the Audigy 2's rear channels supposedly sound better than the front channels, right? Stuff like that makes a difference, so what exactly is your point? "Hi I would like to request for a comparison for a NH1 with your CD player", "Oh my cd player sounds better, it's a C333ES" - DUH. Trying to find a backup for your statements again; "my friends have pro sound cards, blah blah, I'd expect people in a place like this to have the same". Hey guess what? I could have played the fortune teller that time, the chances were 95% that the NH1 sounded better. Do they sell professional sound cards at CompUSA or some other trash like that? :laugh: Right. Keyword here being 'people'. 'People', as in the average Joe, regardless of his financial status, won't know what the heck M-audio or RME is. Maybe EMU, since they're a Creative subsidary and their range of products extends quite far out. As above. Like I said, I could have played fortune teller/magic 8 ball and given you the answer. BTW, I didn't imply that they all suck, don't go stuffing words in my mouth now. Heh. "Most people" makes it sound like many. You seem to know a lot of people, then. Nuh uh. I've yet to stick a label on you, and I don't see why you have the right to call me an 'aristrocrat'. Quite a lot of balls you have there. I've seen bassheads do their thing with their V700DJs. And chances are I've spent more time on audio forums than you have. So does your experience count in this regard? No. (Anyone who appreciates DT531s would probably get my point.) Stuffing words in my mouth again? I said quality can affect the level of enjoyment or listening pleasure that one gets, but I never did equate one to the other. Baaad. Don't twist words around to give yourself an advantage. Are you deliberately dropping the "sound" in front of quality? Quality is not measurable as a discrete number/unit, but that doesn't make it subjective. Sony EX71s give better sound 'quality' than stock earbuds, and E2c > EX71, so on and so forth. I'm not merely judging, anyone with experience with these products will tell you that. Why do you think our buddy here has E3cs, and makes it a point to announce that he has them? The moronic basshead is the idiot who comes on, says "MY V700DJ PWNZ ALL", when he has absolutely no experience with the 'all' in his statement. I've seen it happening, but you haven't. So why should your experience apply to me, and not vice versa?

Seems that there are a good share of people with less than half a brain. :happy: Seriously, I find it amazing that there are people who actually do believe Sony's BS.

iPod = no recording. Go MD.

Mate, 64kbps sounds worse than FM radio. I kid you not, I'd rather listen to the radio than Hi-LP. At 64kbps, the quality/space ratio debate no longer becomes an issue. People seek to optimize listening quality and recording time from LP2 ranges (128kbps+) to lossless (600kbps~1411kbps). Once you get to 64kbps, quality does not exist, plain and simple. The only use for 64kbps would be for talk shows, lectures etc., where something along the lines of telephone quality is sufficient. Music no longer stays as music at such a bitrate. 64kbps is less than 5% of PCM's 1411kbps, or otherwise a 1:20 compression ratio.

Whoops, it is indeed 64kbps. Was thinking of what they were using in the HD1. Confusing. Chances are you're comparing Xing/FhG encoded MP3s, which I've said many times before, is useless. LAME encoded 64kbps will be close, if not superior, to 64kbps ATRAC3. If you're 'impressed' by LP4, frankly I think it's useless to comment any further. And I see that you ignored the fact that he was using E3c's.

Are you saying an Audigy will do? I'm afraid not. And yes they are. Pro cards are pro cards. You see a lot of consumer standard cards with 'pro features', but features != components. No. Using poor equipment to master the recording will result in the track clipping earlier. I've had tracks which are not particularly loud, but have telltale signs that they've been recording using very poor equipment and will clip throughout 80% of the track. No it doesn't? How can you mark a reference point without knowing what it is? Asking for a comparison to a PC sound card is the same as asking for a comparison with anything else he has. You're asking for a sound judgement which doesn't need a reference point. (Hypothetically speaking) If I tell you the NH1 sounds sharper and bassier than my Revo, you're going to take it as the NH1 sounds sharp and bassy while ignoring all references to my Revo, because you wouldn't know how my Revo sounds like. You seem to misunderstand something. You're assuming I'm 'disciminating' the fact that you use a sound card for a reference point because sound cards are not particularly hi-fi. Then you end up telling me that there are professional sound cards that are used for recording, et cetera. 1. A consumer sound card *IS* cheap. The most popular add on cards cost around USD50. You're comparing it to a product that costs around 6 times as much. 2. The circuitry is different. Hi-MD is portable. Sound cards are not, they aren't as limited to power supply requirements a Hi-MDs. 3. The intended use for each device is different. Sound cards are designed to be used with external amplification, often with speakers. It has op-amps, but most aren't really designed to run headphones. This is asking someone to compare an apple and a celery, not even an orange. Asking for a comparison to a PCDP, HDP or similar portable audio device would have made more sense. Like you said earlier, this makes as much sense as saying how the NH1 sounds like relative to a $1000 setup. 4. Your argument re. consumer vs professional sound cards is void. Consumer sound cards aren't known for sound quality, and hardly anyone will have a professional sound card, period. Your points about the fact that "there are good sound cards that are used to record what you listen to" is irrelevant to this argument. You obviously didn't expect someone to compare Hi-MD with a card of that calibre. 5. You cannot establish a reference point without knowing what it is. Sound cards can sound as poor as a $10 radio to hi-fi setups that cost a few grand. Again, you are *expecting* a comparison with a generic sound card, which even that can have fluctuating qualities, and telling me about the quality of pro cards. With 9 out of 10 consumer cards you can't. Even with ASIO, in Creative's case (and this applies for also a fair number of other cards), the input signal gets resampled from 44.1k to 48k. Stuff like EAX and other environmental surround support - disabling it is not enough, you need to remove the drivers. It doesn't mean the signal doesn't go through the DSP, it just means less DSP effects are applied to it. I've been there and done that. Say, do you know what a 'basshead' is? I can appreciate your point about using EQ to *compensate* for rolloffs and environmental disturbances, but how many people do just that? You agree that an EQ will reduce quality and fidelity, but don't tell me you've never heard of people cranking up the bass and treble with their LP2 tracks and saying that they're listening to really good quality stuff, when they don't really know because they've never listened to real quality? Now you're getting to my point. Enjoyment != quality. Enjoyment is very, very subjective. If you're bored, listening to music might be enjoyable. If you've just come home from a 10 hour shift at work, and you're tired as hell, the same CD listened to may not be as enjoyable. Quality only becomes a tiny, not-very-influential part of all the factors that affect the enjoyment of your music.

*Forced edit* The DS8 will drill holes in that N10. I wouldn't sell mine for one. =P

Hrmpf. I'm a student with a limited budget. Totally unfair indeed. Oooo, Nomad gets put down. I disagree hands down. I don't like Creative, but the Nomads are Nomads when it comes to butchering MDs.

I don't worship Head-Fi, so don't make it sound like I do. I've done a comparison myself, so I'm obviously basing claims on my experience and not gossip.

Seperate professional equipment from consumer level stuff. Possibly only 1 person here has anything within the likes of a RME or EMU 1212, and that's not me. A sound card is just a add on daughterboard for a PC with ICs on it. A properly shielded design with high quality components will work well, but chances are no one here will have their hands on one. What you said will explain why 60-70% of modern CDs released clip like mofos; because some idiot sets the levels up high because he thinks compressed dynamic ranges + loud = good. Same goes for the poor arse equipment he uses to master the recordings. That doesn't make sense. You're asking for him to compare it with something you might have not even heard. Even on-board sound will vary in quality. All sources in a computer go through a DSP. The source is decoded with software which has to be fed into a DSP which 'translates' it into a format the DAC can work with. For a good number of soundcards, resampling is often involved. That, in itself, is a highly lossy process. All earphones isolate to a certain degree. With ear/headphones, you ARE the environment. What you say is correct, EQs can be used to compensate for the environment change for external use, but most people use it to give an artifically boosted tonal response, which doesn't help sound quality. Every extra stage of DSP will result in a further reduction of sound quality. So, no, using an EQ to tweak your tonal balance will not help sound quality. You are only increasing the volume to certain frequency ranges which only results in muddying the detail because of the extra processing. You're not one, don't worry... :happy: I'm merely tired of people miseducating others with rubbish. Not that I can stop it, it's a common trait of every forum.

!!! How dare you! :whatever: These phones are mid-fi at best. :laugh: I wouldn't call the bass 'tweaked' - that's what equalizers do, as in artifically boosting the tonal balance. The EX71s have supressed mids which give the impression of a "boosted bass" response. Bass is not everything... You'll get poor vocals and musical dynamics with the EX71s because all you hear is the treble and bass. But yes, you're on the right track. Etys are fine for use on the run, in fact, to my experience, they've been pretty rugged. If something gets torn, you *can* send them back to ER to get it fixed, instead of buying a new pair.

Li-ion is 3.6V. There is no such thing as changing the 'chemical structure'. A chemical is a chemical, the potential difference of the cell is a result of the electronegativity of the element or ion used as the electrolyte. You can't change the properties of the element that simply. Either you ise Li-ion, or you don't. The only commercially viable options so far are Li-Ion, Li-Poly, NiMH, NiCD and lead acid. 3.6V x 0.380A = 1.368W 1.2V x 1.350A = 1.620W