two.tread Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 what is th3 actual size difference and actual sound difference between a track in 64kbps arac3+ than the same in atrac3 at 105???thankswhat setting do you use?i want to know what other peoples ears are like?thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I use mostly "true" SP (292 kbps) or Hi-SP (256 kbps). The lowest I ever go now is 132 kbps, and that is only if I have to. I do have one Hi-MD recorded at 64 kbps. It does not get listened to as often as my other discs. The sound quality is okay but once you get used to the higher bit rates it is hard to go back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexx Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 It used to be the case that 64 was WAY better.however now i am not so sure. Upgrades in SS mean they are about the same: possible with 64 still having the edge because files are smaller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnBkr Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I would rather have 30+ hours on a disc at reasonable quality than a few hours at extremely high quality. I have tested both and found the 64 bit rate close to the SP and certainly within range of my listening needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alrose312 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 (edited) I use mostly "true" SP (292 kbps) or Hi-SP (256 kbps). The lowest I ever go now is 132 kbps, and that is only if I have to. I do have one Hi-MD recorded at 64 kbps. It does not get listened to as often as my other discs. The sound quality is okay but once you get used to the higher bit rates it is hard to go back down. I thought true Hi-SP was 352 KBPS...? Edited January 4, 2006 by alrose312 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 SP mode, the original legacy ATRAC codec (circa 1992), is 292 kbps. 352 kbps was just introduced with SS 3.3. I still use "true" SP mode since I own legacy gear, namely my deck, Aiwa AM-F80, and E80 player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungerdunger Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 It used to be the case that 64 was WAY better.however now i am not so sure. Upgrades in SS mean they are about the same: possible with 64 still having the edge because files are smallerMy ears aren't very discerning, so if I tell you that 64kbps sounds ok to me when I'm listening on the move with earbuds, it may not actually mean very much.However if you visit http://minidisc.amulation.com/hi-md_faq.html you'll see in the answer to question 13 that Sony themselves claim that ATRAC3+ @ 64kbps is roughly equivalent in quality to ATRAC3 @ 132kbps and to (original) ATRAC @ 292kbps.At the end of the day it's really down to your ears; the environment you're listening in, and the relative importance to you of quantity vs quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 True. Go with what sounds best to you. You are the only one that can judge for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny mac Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 My ears aren't very discerning, so if I tell you that 64kbps sounds ok to me when I'm listening on the move with earbuds, it may not actually mean very much.However if you visit http://minidisc.amulation.com/hi-md_faq.html you'll see in the answer to question 13 that Sony themselves claim that ATRAC3+ @ 64kbps is roughly equivalent in quality to ATRAC3 @ 132kbps and to (original) ATRAC @ 292kbps.At the end of the day it's really down to your ears; the environment you're listening in, and the relative importance to you of quantity vs quality.There's no way that A3+ 64k is up to the standard of A3 132k, Sony are just plain wrong here. I have listened to a lot of 132k and find it very acceptable, I don't know about 105k, I've never listened to it. I don't think you can even rip to it with SS 3.3, can you? 64k is ok if you want to fit loads onto a disc but I couldn't listen to it all the time, the artifacts would drive me crazy after a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I honestly have too much respect for music to use anything below HiSP (256kbps) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I agree with you Low Volta, in the end it is the user that has to decide what sounds good to them. I don't mind making SP discs of one album only. It is what works for me. There are those people that want volume instead of quality and who am I to say that is wrong? For me, quality has the upper hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two.tread Posted January 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 thanks, im gonna stick to 132kbpsi think im will ahve to buy aother 1 or 2 discs though (my wallet is getting thinner and thinner)i suppose the reason i had 64 was the ize of the files.whatis the file size difference between a 256kbps hi-sp file than a 132kbps atrac3 file?is it worth me just going fully up to 256 or to stic k at 132?thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Let your ears make the final decision. File size ratio is about 2:1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommypeters Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Simply put you could say the file size ratio is around 256/132... ATRAC is CBR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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