Sorry Sony! your time is up!

[p0rkch0p2007]

well im finally gonna ditch sony alltogether now. finding out that the new sony daps arent able to play back music gaplessly was a real kick in the teeth for me as i own a lot of gapless albums. and now the new ipods have been unvieled im definitly going for one of them! 160 gig hd on the classic ipod 40 hours battery life, cover flow on the display, I LOVE IT! not too sure about the touch screen ipod though. it seems to be moving away from what an ipod is all about, (music). who wants an internet browser on their mp3 player anyway? with most mobile phones being able to do this nowadays i feel that this feature is a little wasted. anyway im ditching my sony daps and joining the ipod brand. its a shame because sony always seem to be 5 steps behind apple, when if they REALLY LISTENED to their customers and what they want they could be the number one brand.

[Ascariss]

so, let me get this straight, no drag and drop?

next, it looks like an iphone, but has no phone option? sucks for people who bought an iphone

next, gapless can always be added with a firmware upgrade on the new units, seeing as probably the chip inside the new sony's supports it.

16 gigs is nice but once that touch screen starts loosing sensitivity.... lol

160 gigs? O_o, no one will listen to that much music ever.

anyways congrats to you on your new decision and apple, but apple nor any other company will have the sound and quality as sony has.

[Jrome]

Actually Sony is not 5 steps behind anyone. They give you what you want, not gimmicks.

Above Average battery life

Great sound quality

Reasonable headphones

Great interface

Drag and Drop

Firmware Update = Gapless will be added

And ipod is coming with...Touch Screen? Why? I need a mp3 player..where I DONT have to look at the screen everytime I try to use it. I want to be able to operate my mp3 without having to devote my full attention to it.

New Ipod nano? New design that seems to have been born with a defect and it still sucks :\.

iPod classic. Great battery life, great storage. I reasonable buy...but still missing great sound quality and a few other features.

So if you're going apple..get the classic..the only thing worth your money.

I really think the new Creative Zen showed up Apple this time around. And Sony is releasing nice players that fulfil your needs.

[ceres]

well im finally gonna ditch sony alltogether now. finding out that the new sony daps arent able to play back music gaplessly was a real kick in the teeth for me as i own a lot of gapless albums. and now the new ipods have been unvieled im definitly going for one of them! 160 gig hd on the classic ipod 40 hours battery life, cover flow on the display, I LOVE IT! not too sure about the touch screen ipod though. it seems to be moving away from what an ipod is all about, (music). who wants an internet browser on their mp3 player anyway? with most mobile phones being able to do this nowadays i feel that this feature is a little wasted. anyway im ditching my sony daps and joining the ipod brand. its a shame because sony always seem to be 5 steps behind apple, when if they REALLY LISTENED to their customers and what they want they could be the number one brand.

sure it´s all about your personal priorities. If you need gapless Apple is the only way to go as far as I can see.

The classis seems to be the best value. If you need a flash player also look at samsungs new lineup. They should have gapless playback, too.

[thefanboy]

Ascariss,

will there be any new wide-screen walkman before christmas, or is there any other video walkman coming ?

new ipods either look ugly, too old style(aptly named classic), or expensive(touch)....apple shot themselves.....

Edited September 5, 2007 by theFanboy

[Zizone_]

since when did digital audio player turned into digital video player? so many people give too much credit to video and toughscreen things...

Sound. sound. sound...

not that other features are bad, but focus of DAP development seems to be off lately.

Edited September 5, 2007 by Zizone

[Zizone_]

also, like someone mentioned above, I prefer a player that I can navigate through songs without really looking at a player.

i really wish Sony will come up with next Walkman with NW-S700 casing and jog-shuffle design.

Edited September 5, 2007 by Zizone

[ceres]

since when did digital audio player turned into digital video player? so many people give too much credit to video and toughscreen things...

Sound. sound. sound...

not that other features are bad, but focus of DAP development seems to be off lately.

you raise a valid point. the emulation of innovation and sheer marketing up to the point of religious zeal have clouded the core competences a dap should offer.

in order to have people consantly shell out money for things they do not need industry "innovates".

btw 200 usd off the iphone are pretty shocking. must not be selling to good despite the embarrassing hype created by Steve Jobs, the holy canon of the digital sepulchre.

[metal]

Firmware Update = Gapless will be added

I really hope Sony will resolve this at the soonest.

[socom]

walkman is still the choice for music, at least for me, Atrac devices are wonderful, now without Atrac, walkman can still deliver good sound quality, music enjoyment, video, drap and drop. Beside of sony, i rather go for samsung or creative zen than ipod. sony walkman like no other, it's serious about music

[lamewing]

well im finally gonna ditch sony alltogether now. finding out that the new sony daps arent able to play back music gaplessly was a real kick in the teeth for me as i own a lot of gapless albums. and now the new ipods have been unvieled im definitly going for one of them! 160 gig hd on the classic ipod 40 hours battery life, cover flow on the display, I LOVE IT! not too sure about the touch screen ipod though. it seems to be moving away from what an ipod is all about, (music). who wants an internet browser on their mp3 player anyway? with most mobile phones being able to do this nowadays i feel that this feature is a little wasted. anyway im ditching my sony daps and joining the ipod brand. its a shame because sony always seem to be 5 steps behind apple, when if they REALLY LISTENED to their customers and what they want they could be the number one brand.

As a returning university student...I would like the mp3 player, browser, and hopefully more OSX apps on it later on. Consider it like a 21st century Newton.

BUT....I acutally cancelled my order for the iPod touch. I just couldn't get myself to pay $440.00 for 16GB of storage. Maybe when this price drops or they add a HD to it...unlikely. Until then I am ordering the A818. I don't care about gapless.

[pata2001]

Firmware Update = Gapless will be added

Do you work for Sony? How do you know that? From past history, how often Sony updates the firmware of their products? Not that often. The S70x can play AAC gaplessly, so if the A81x series can be gapless, why Sony didn't do it in the first place?

[pata2001]

If you need a flash player also look at samsungs new lineup. They should have gapless playback, too.

They're supposed to, but they don't, and are never updated anymore, so the answer is no gapless on Samsung.

[Akai Kenshi]

Do you work for Sony? How do you know that? From past history, how often Sony updates the firmware of their products? Not that often. The S70x can play AAC gaplessly, so if the A81x series can be gapless, why Sony didn't do it in the first place?

The Playstation line sure seems to get regular firmware updates.

But the Walkman line? No, not really.

[DSP]

well,

I'm a bit sceptical. The new ipod line-up is fairly good.

The shuffle:

no news about that. New colours is fun, bu that's about it. Yeah, the product RED is a good thing though!!

The Nano:

It looks like a squeezed Classic. Very nice to finally have video and the new interface. I think this would sell reasonable good.

The classic:

I think the big capacities at such pricings are very competitive at the moment. it's in essence the same as the nano.

But I thin it'll find an audience.

The touch:

well, the most exciting product of the show. It's like an iPhone without the phone. Good device. Just hoping the touch screen problems are solved now. cover flow rocks, and the interface is cool. But I wonder how the ease-of-use would be?

I must say that I have respect for apple in pumping 16GB Flash into a MP3 player!!! afaik they're the first manufacturer to do so.

Now I'm very positive about the UI and the design of the new ipod touch. But I wonder if they finally have put in a decent EQ, or some sound enhancements. And wich SoC did they use? Sigmatel? Samsung? Telechips? NEC? or perhaps..... back to Portalplayer????? (I hope not, they sucked big time)

And what's the AMP like? What's the output power? What's the SNR?

I know this is all a bit technical crap, nut I don't judge a product for it's looks. My D2 doesn't look very good. (has a touch screen too though) but it I have respect for what is under it's hood. 74mW AMP, Wolfson CODEC and Telechips TCC7809 SoC.

IF the iphone has at least good specs lI would buy it. But for know I'm sticking to D2 and Walkmen.

greetz!

[Jukkis]

160 gigs? O_o, no one will listen to that much music ever.

I also would like to have 50+ gigs player. Of course i won't be listening that much music in on session, but with my HD5 i hate it that i can't take all my music with me, because i don't allways know in the morning what i wanna listen to in the evening (not to mention for weekends out of house). Also, it's a difficult decision to choose what to take off from player everytime i buy a new record, it would be soooo much cooler if i just could add new music to player

[pata2001]

The Playstation line sure seems to get regular firmware updates.

But the Walkman line? No, not really.

Yeah, the Playstation team seem to have more freedom from the music execs (drag-n-drop music on the PSP right at the beginning), and frequent updates. Sony Electronics team is another story.

[thefanboy]

I have to take my words back, ipod touch is not expensive...after seeing screen resolution,8GB,wifi and gui -infact I am going to buy one !!!!

I 100% accept that sony's time is up. Do you think sony can ever make a product like ipod touch at that price point. I feel apple surely has heart to make people happy apart from making profits, but on the other hand sony's only motive is to make money. new iphone pricing is incredible, I am planning to buy that too, may be in future.

Yesterday in a TV show here in japan, I saw walkman market share to be 27 % and ipod to be 47%, I think sony's share will shrink to less than 2% within this year.

In an open letter, steve jobs has reacted to iphone early adapters cry by giving them 100$ discount, and here sony wont say anything if our old a808s would get a firmware upgrade for drag-and-drop. yet another example of cold-blodedness.

I dont think sony will make such a product(ipod touch), if they can they will split the funtionality in to five products and expect ppl to buy it. For ex SE cybershot and walkman phones are good, but they are 2 different products, look at nokia N95, how generous they are to put 5 megapixel camera,gps , large lcd, good music player in one....I feel any company shd have atleast a fair amount of consideration to make ppl happy.

VAIO as such does not have any international warranty, if I buy in Japan it wont be supported in India, though they sell vaio in india. And if I buy in india it wont be supported in japan. All this torture after paying atleast 100% more than dell and hp. I shuttle between these 2 places, what shd I do. Sony support ppl told me warranty will be void if I change the windows xp to other OS, but strangely the system came with windows-vista capable sticker on it. what do they mean by that, "system is windows-vista capable, but you should not change the OS" ?

There is this 'international model' concept in japan for foreign buyers called 'sony overseas japan' which charges ppl royally for just having english menu on their gadgets, some times price difference btw this and japanese models will be around 50%. Once you go back to India, u realize that their support is not 24X7

Sony, for all these flaws, I strongly feel "YOUR TIME IS UP"

[rajveggi]

sony's time is up? maybe it's bit more like your time with sony is up man, so great you can go away now with Ipod. But sony walkman will continue, new players will come out, people will still enjoy them as ever with drap and drop. No offence it's your money your choice, but here in Atraclife forum (even if Atrac stopped) i do still believe people will stick with sony walkman. walkman gives you the real stuff on music. Hey that's just my personal liking for walkman. your post will be much more appreciated in ipod forum than walkman forum.

To the fanboy also, are u in tokyo? are you a japanese? or a indian or something? if u are a japanese, i am not saying japanese can't say bad stuff about their own brand, though not to that extreme dude. Where's the respect and understanding for the J-tech company dude? But also you don't seem to know sony that well, you should go with Apple, nokia whatever. Really you shouldn't have brought sony products if you are angry with sony, that's just weird man

[p0rkch0p2007]

sony's time is up? maybe it's bit more like your time with sony is up man, so great you can go away now with Ipod. But sony walkman will continue, new players will come out, people will still enjoy them as ever with drap and drop. No offence it's your money your choice, but here in Atraclife forum (even if Atrac stopped) i do still believe people will stick with sony walkman. walkman gives you the real stuff on music. Hey that's just my personal liking for walkman. your post will be much more appreciated in ipod forum than walkman forum.

To the fanboy also, are u in tokyo? are you a japanese? or a indian or something? if u are a japanese, i am not saying japanese can't say bad stuff about their own brand, though not to that extreme dude. Where's the respect and understanding for the J-tech company dude? But also you don't seem to know sony that well, you should go with Apple, nokia whatever. Really you shouldn't have brought sony products if you are angry with sony, that's just weird man

i never meant sony's time is up as a walkman maker, i meant my time as a frustrated customer of theirs is up. and im quite entitled to put a post up about an ipod in this forum, its my view and i have expressed it, and i think a few ppl would appreciate the post. hey i just told it like it is, everything in the post is true. if you dont think an ipod post would be welcome in this forum why read it? and better yet why reply to it?

[thefanboy]

rajveggi,

sorry if I had hurt your sentiments.But, I do feel I am reasonable in my comments.Just compare mylo and ipod touch priced at the same 300 dollars

iPod touch

screen

: 3.5-inch/480-by-320/MuLti-touch

Memory

:8GB

Browser

:Safari

GUI

:ultimate

Mylo

screen

:2.4 inch/320 x 240/not touch sensitive

Memory

:1 GB (Memory stick)

Browser

: some thing crappy

GUI

:crappy

Seeing this dont you get an idea of what sony is ?

one can list out similar differences for their product in any category I guess, note that competitors have same or better 'cool-factor'(like the above example)

Edited September 7, 2007 by theFanboy

[pata2001]

To the Mylo's defense, it has skype and IM client. Of course, since the iPod Touch is pretty much an iPhone sans phone, we'll see if Apple/developers would converge iPhone apps to work on the Touch too. But yeah, the Mylo doesn't look that great anymore.

[pata2001]

your post will be much more appreciated in ipod forum than walkman forum.

To the fanboy also, are u in tokyo? are you a japanese? or a indian or something? if u are a japanese, i am not saying japanese can't say bad stuff about their own brand, though not to that extreme dude. Where's the respect and understanding for the J-tech company dude? But also you don't seem to know sony that well, you should go with Apple, nokia whatever. Really you shouldn't have brought sony products if you are angry with sony, that's just weird man

This thread is posted in The Lounge section, so what's the problem?

What does race have to do with anything?

[Jrome]

pata2001 stop coming on here spreading your negative comments. When sony realises it..they will probably release firmware to fix it. Sony is starting to improve their walkman line..not neglect it..which is why the went through the effort and teamed up with microsoft etc.

[thefanboy]

pata2001 stop coming on here spreading your negative comments. When sony realises it..they will probably release firmware to fix it. Sony is starting to improve their walkman line..not neglect it..which is why the went through the effort and teamed up with microsoft etc.

yeah sony is starting to improve, their schedule should look something like this....

2007: drag-and-drop

2011: Gapless

2015: touch screen video device

2019: wifi addition

[Zizone_]

Well, at least Sony is determined to pursue improvement in sound department, whereas others are adding functinalities that have nothing to do with the sound.

Naturally, it comes down to what each individual prefer when buying a product, the one that is most benefial to a person. One thing I don't get is that they show such an enthusiasm in making fun of others when they themselves claim they have no interest in products, i.e. Walkman.

Edited September 8, 2007 by Zizone

[LG1_]

Sony Ericson is still Sony.

And they do some prety decent phones if you ask me.

The mylo didnt even come to australia. Dont just take sony as one department.

Sony had an 8GB phone\music player with touch screen way before the iPhone.

Pitty it ruins the horrid UIQ OS otherwise it would be quite good. I still like sony products even if some of you dont.

Off-topic any one read the article saying Apple is becoming worse than microsoft.

[thefanboy]

LG1,

I agree sony have some of those features scattered around in different products,

but do they have anything like ipod touch ? at that price point.

I am sure there is nothing like that for next 2 years from sony.

Dont waste your time here, go pre-order your iPod Touch, stock will not last long......

[pata2001]

pata2001 stop coming on here spreading your negative comments.

What kind of negative comments did I put up there? I'm not the one who's splurting racist comments against other users.

I want Sony to be competitive. Without competition, there would be no innovation (just look at how long it takes Apple to update the 5G). But when Sony look at their fanboys who kept defending Sony's stupid marketing decisions and giving money to the music execs, no wonder they are loosing marketshare.

[Ketut]

Well, at least Sony is determined to pursue improvement in sound department, whereas others are adding functinalities that have nothing to do with the sound.

Well, this is not entirely true.

Do you guys familiar with iMod (and gMod, the Malaysian version of iMod)? Take a look at iMod at http://www.redwineaudio.com/imod.html or at http://www.audiolineout.net. In short, iMod is a modified version of iPod, where the signal out of the iPod's internal DAC is tapped directly, thus bypassing the internal amp and the noisy electronic circuit of the iPod (I will not pretend to understand all of this technical stuff, you can go ahead and read the detail at the websites I mentioned above). The owners of iMods swears that the SQ of these modified iPods are amazing, some even said that they are on par with dedicated hi-end CD player. You can find what iMod owners have to say about their iMods at http://www.head-fi.org

The interesting thing is, Vinnie, the guy who made the iMod, said that he will not offer iMod for Classic iPod, because he said that the SQ of the Classic is so good that even though his 5.5g iMod is still sound better than the stock Classic, the difference is not that much to justify the cost of the modification. You can read what Vinnie said at http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=259258 So it means that yes, apparently Apple is also pursuing improvement in sound department.

Edited September 8, 2007 by Ketut

[Zizone_]

Critically analyzing problems is one thing and crticizing with some attitude without manner is another.

[juli_]

Critically analyzing problems is one thing and crticizing with some attitude without manner is another.

Zizzypops I see from your avatar that those are the new Sony headphones due out in October. I am more than happy with my new Denons but my brother's b/day is coming up and I might like to treat him to a pair of the Sonys. From what I can make of the photos - how the hell do they fit? They seem bent at an angle

I know how the EX90's fit - but these look nothing like them - plus they're really really expensive. Good job I love my brother!

[rocklegend_]

Zizzypops I see from your avatar that those are the new Sony headphones due out in October. I am more than happy with my new Denons but my brother's b/day is coming up and I might like to treat him to a pair of the Sonys. From what I can make of the photos - how the hell do they fit? They seem bent at an angle

I know how the EX90's fit - but these look nothing like them - plus they're really really expensive. Good job I love my brother!

I have a pair of EX90's and they are incredible headphones.The Bass is incredible and the Highs are Fantastic.I use it with my A3000

[Old skool D]

well im finally gonna ditch sony alltogether now. finding out that the new sony daps arent able to play back music gaplessly was a real kick in the teeth for me as i own a lot of gapless albums. and now the new ipods have been unvieled im definitly going for one of them! 160 gig hd on the classic ipod 40 hours battery life, cover flow on the display, I LOVE IT! not too sure about the touch screen ipod though. it seems to be moving away from what an ipod is all about, (music). who wants an internet browser on their mp3 player anyway? with most mobile phones being able to do this nowadays i feel that this feature is a little wasted. anyway im ditching my sony daps and joining the ipod brand. its a shame because sony always seem to be 5 steps behind apple, when if they REALLY LISTENED to their customers and what they want they could be the number one brand.

I hope you enjoy your new Ipod. Many others do. If it meets your needs,kool. I myself am happy with Sony. Yep they aren't perfect, but my A808 works, I can listen to my music, in the SQ that I like. Good enough for me.

[Raw32]

Did anyone else notice that Sony dropped the prices of their new players on the SonyStyle USA website? The NWZ-A810 4 and 8gb models now match the prices of the new nano of the same space, while the NWZ-S610 models are $20 less.

[Ascariss]

Did anyone else notice that Sony dropped the prices of their new players on the SonyStyle USA website? The NWZ-A810 4 and 8gb models now match the prices of the new nano of the same space, while the NWZ-S610 models are $20 less.

interesting that you mention that, the S6xx models in canada mimic the price of the new nano, with the 4 gig version being 10 dollars cheaper, and the 2 gig version being 20 dollars cheaper than the older nano.

although the 2 and 4 gig version of the new 800 series are still more expensive. no word on 8 gig version though.

[markey]

interesting that you mention that, the S6xx models in canada mimic the price of the new nano, with the 4 gig version being 10 dollars cheaper, and the 2 gig version being 20 dollars cheaper than the older nano.

although the 2 and 4 gig version of the new 800 series are still more expensive. no word on 8 gig version though.

Yep, you can pick up the new 3rd gen nano cheaper than the older 2nd gen nano here in the UK too.

[Ascariss]

Yep, you can pick up the new 3rd gen nano cheaper than the older 2nd gen nano here in the UK too.

lol no, you misread, i meant the sony s600 models are cheaper than the 3rd gen nano.

2 and 4 gig version of the s600 are cheaper than older nano and new nano, and the 8 gig version of the s600 is the same price as the 3rd gen nano.

[antiipod]

I guess if Sony doesn't suit somebody's need, then they are allowed to move to another brand, also they are allowed to say whatever about Sony. Then there are people who are still cool with walkman, so they are allowed to defend i guess. The race part talk i guess you wouldn't get it if you are not from Asia, or sort of knowing the Asian culture. you see Japanese is very proud of their honor and pride, but the point is Raj must have thought Thefanboy is a japanese, so he got in talking about culture thing. Koreans are even more like that....ok i better not go too deep about culture now. I like the NW-S718, this S700 range is so attractive, i like it over ipod and samsung

[thefanboy]

I still love the walkman sound quality and wud not allow anything other than walkman to feed my ears....I was only angry why sony did not fulfill our video-walkman demands. Do you think I am going to listen to music with ipod touch, ne......never it is just for wifi and video. Edited September 11, 2007 by theFanboy