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Just search here for "fake SP"

I don't think SS 4.2/4.3 is the issue. But undoing the most recent updates from Vista one by one (or going back to where it worked 1 month ago), and selectively installing all the security updates one at a time to see which one kills SS, might.

It does seem that some update of Vista (may I guess some security/encryption issue?) killed SS. Thank goodness I never even tried it. SP on current machines is known to be "Fake SP" - and you cannot upload SP from MZ-N1 (though the RH1 will do that for you nicely). So I don't think that gets you anything. Unless you have an OLD version (pre Vista, almost pre-XP) of the software that ORIGINALLY came with the N1. I'm thinking maybe there WAS a way to get real SP onto MD with the oldest units.

Isn't the MZ-N1 the machine that might offer real SP downloads? In which case, you need an OLD version of SS, instead of a new one. by "old" I mean something closer to the age of the N1. Perhaps you are expecting to do Standard Play (SP) downloads, and the most recent SS (with their "Fake LP2" version) don't allow that. I know, we've talked about this Avrin, but at the time I suggested the very earliest NetMD machines might be interesting for this reason. Of course, I don't even have one. How to diagnose this? Stephen

Yeah you can check REALLY easily - just do a search for .oma (case sensitive). The converted ones are *.OMA Stephen

Thank you Avrin. Really hope I won't have to actually learn this stuff, ever.

I'll take a look. There are probably others (here) FAR better qualified than me to help you diagnose this. Manana.....

I am about 99.9% sure you cannot have an NF610. Either that or SS was converting without telling you. In fact if you look in the equipment browser you will see that nothing before the RH710 had this feature, ie machines made starting in 2005 and later. Thus the vast majority do not support native MP3 playback.

Well done. I think now we need to pool resources with some of the older hands here. Much of the MD technology shares a common base, I have a feeling this error code (probably Hex DE but I can't be sure) will be documented somewhere in one of the manuals. When I looked at service mode, I think there were procedures to report the last 10 errors or something like that. Have you done any of the basic things like blowing dust out from the unit?

If so, very likely it might work if you run off charger or USB. Time to get the service manual and figure out if there are any obvious errors in Service mode. The service manual is here in downloads, you might have to figure out the trick to getting into service mode by looking in the forums.

You got as far as running the program under depends. You can see the log This will probably help lots of people using Vista, I encourage you to give it a try. The bottom portion of the depends screen has a lot of text. That's what I want. You can either cut and paste it into notepad or work out where depends.exe wants to put this file. To cut and paste just highlight all the text (Ctrl-A should do that) and press controlC or Control+Insert. Then ShiftV or Shift+Insert into notepad, or word, or whatever. It probably needs to be attached as a file but it's ok if you email it to the email address I gave you. Best if you can zip it first, but if that is not possible, ok.

The NF610 doesn't play MP3 natively. Always converted to some variety of .oma. So (i've never done this, as I don't use MP3's except to make them) it's asking you which .oma file to make. You can find which one is already there, by rightclicking the files one by one and selecting "Properties", then the tab labelled "File Info". To stop giving SS a headache it sounds like you need to default the output format. Suggest LP2. It may be that it is set to " ask me every time" - and you simply can't do that when you have multiple files to transfer, it doesn't have the logic to create multiple different formats on a single transfer. Transfer setting is controlled by the buttons in the middle of the screen (or there is a fancier way from the menu but who cares?). See if this helps and if it doesn't I will try and specify the steps more exactly.

I'd be surprised, usually the website says if he is out, and he will get more. I got almost as far as ordering it through sonystyle Canada here: Minidiscs sold by Sony Canada A bit more money, but believe me, the removal of restrictions on upload make this pretty well priceless, especially if they are backing off from selling them

I have a strange take on this - I blame the digital amp for my tinnitus. I would be careful, personally.

Playback-only codec for LP2 (and LP4, though I would never use LP4 for music myself) that makes better sound. Yes I think so. Should say on instruction manual. (added) Yes, bottom of page 31.

I checked sony canada and they are advertising the RH1 at 399.99 and the M200 (same thing with microphone) for 400.00. Weird You can buy an RH1 from minidisc canada. The best market for used hi minidisc players seems to be at ebay.co.uk - there are significant numbers of listings which refuse to ship overseas. One company was selling about 10 new (well I deduced they were new because they were all the same!) NH700's - gone now, snapped up no doubt.

Well I find a full symphony orchestra + choir is a pretty good test, and when I am listening on headphones, I prefer whatever it is that Type-S does to the sound. Not specifically the equalizer, I chose "heavy" both on NH700 and on NF810, I admit. The difference is between those two equalizers. I accept what greenmachine says, just haven't had time to try it. Playing the same LP2 through my stereo system, the SQ isn't even acceptable, I need the SP version or a CD. Maybe if I had a HiMD deck, or perhaps the JB980 with Type-S. No way to tell.

But why would I want the japanese version at all? Perhaps you are suggesting I clone the procedure for French - admittedly my French is good, but this will still conflict with my (English) machine. Need some help here.

Well the one I have is not the DN430 but looking at it is probably more closely related to the NF810 than it is to the RH1. The RH1 + headphones actually caused me hearing problems which I referred to in other posts. Listening to other units (I think the key feature was D-nomalization) seems not to cause this.

That's about what heavy does, and yes, I did try that. But there's an equalizer on the NF810, so I am comparing oranges to oranges (don't mention the Mac word around here!)

I got all my HiMD units set to "heavy" which raises bass AND treble. Still no comparison to the same exact thing on pre-HiMD units, as long as they are Type-S (at least for LP2). Not sure how SP compares. Interestingly the radio sounds better attached to the NH700 than it does in the NF810.

Yup. I just today received in the mail from England my new (used) NH700, which I wanted for 2 reasons: 1. a backup recorder to RH1 that could do mic recording 2. something I could add a radio to (I had a spare one from another busted unit) for listening Interesting - I played the same MD (LP2) on NF810 and NH700 (well effectively NH800F), same remote, same headphones. The comparison is just as you say, the earlier unit knocks the HiMD into, as we say, a cocked hat. But I love my NH700, so many neat features packed into one unit.

It's a digital protocol just like any other network. Guaranteed delivery via retries.

Bluetooth has guaranteed delivery. It's designed for a lossless digital setup. It does this "under the covers" just like ethernet. You have to trust the network, or you cannot transmit digital data. This has nothing to do with sound or sound compression or lossy formats.

This (your comment) makes no sense to me. MD needs (effectively) streaming sound, so glitches/drops in the stream shouldn't matter. That's what the buffers and G-protection are all about. Bluetooth is a point-to-point protocol like Ethernet, and is lossless (of course). So there's no reason why the SQ would be affected at all. I just bought a Parrot FM transmitter for my car to use handsfree cellphone. The only loss of SQ comes from the broadcast via FM - I think the FM transmitter isn't particularly good. The Bluetooth connection seems perfectly fine. I have run my laptop' network connection on Bluetooth at high speed and for hours at a time, as a test. I get a stable connection, so I have no idea why you wouldn't get a solid result from the method OP describes. I really think any loss of SQ is likely from cheap components in the BT headset or whatever. Just my $0.02 Stephen