alexoft Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 (edited) hi, i wrote simple Hi-MD music structure readerhttp://home.graffiti.net/alexoft/himd_idx.zipThis program extracts audio data information from Sony's index file TrkidxXX.hma which is located in YOUR_HIMD:\Hmdhifi folder.1) start the himd_idx.exe (you can find it in attachment)2) press "Run" button3) select TrkidxXX.hma from your HiMD.(you need connect your player to PC using USB cable)4) select output rtf file.Program was tested on WinXP.In case if you recorded tracks from mic(line in) some problems might be occur.... ok, sources for Delphi7 -> himd_idx_src.zip himd_idx.ziphimd_idx_src.zip Edited January 31, 2005 by alexoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsoul Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Hey that's cool. I will try this at home tonight. So, it simply list the audio tracks in a text format? The problems occur when you use the mic in or the line in? Or both? So that means this only works when you recorded something from SS via USB? I'm interested and confused. Thanks for more info and thanks for making something like this, even if it is very beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexoft Posted January 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 So, it simply list the audio tracks in a text format? actually these are two files: a) in "Rich Text Format" -to print it & place in the HiMD box 2) in "CSV" format - to make own music database using Microsoft EXCELThe problems occur when you use the mic in or the line in? Or both? So that means this only works when you recorded something from SS via USB? When you use the mic in or the line in extracted information might be wrong I use this program for my music collection compiled on PC from mp3 or wav sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xispe Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 nice work! very nice!We're close to something more decent than SonicStage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Nice program/idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyceemoliere Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 hi, i wrote simple Hi-MD music structure readerhttp://home.graffiti.net/alexoft/himd_idx.zipThis program extracts audio data information from Sony's index file TrkidxXX.hma which is located in YOUR_HIMD:\Hmdhifi folder.1) start the himd_idx.exe (you can find it in http://home.graffiti.net/alexoft/himd_idx.zip)2) press "Run" button3) select TrkidxXX.hma from your HiMD.(you need connect your player to PC using USB cable)4) select output rtf file.Program was tested on WinXP.In case if you recorded tracks from mic(line in) some problems might be occur.←I am a bit new to this. Am I correct in assuming that this structure reader would be useful if one wanted to import music files from another library (such as realplayer- where the files are already well named as to track title/albumetc) into sonic stage. ... so that you don't have to re-identify all those files as you are importing.?or do I have it all wrong...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 I am a bit new to this. Am I correct in assuming that this structure reader would be useful if one wanted to import music files from another library (such as realplayer- where the files are already well named as to track title/albumetc) into sonic stage. ... so that you don't have to re-identify all those files as you are importing.?or do I have it all wrong...?←It just reads the titles so you can catalogue what is on your discs [and perhaps print nice covers for them.I haven't tried it yet, but tentatively: nice work, alexoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstyc Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Just curious, but could you pass the information you have about the structure of the hi-md files (or post your source code)? I am seeing if I can save tracks on MD to PC again, but didn't look into the filename stuff yet.Thanks,(nice thingy btw, what is your problem with own recorded material?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Tires Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 I'll be gettign a Hi-MD unit soon, hopefully tomorrow, I can't wait to try this app out. Thanks for working on this software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexoft Posted January 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Just curious, but could you pass the information you have about the structure of the hi-md files (or post your source code)? I'm sorry , I can't publish this source code. The program is a "freeware". ... There are some features which you can change in the Windows regestry (after first running the program will keep settings in [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\AleXoft\HiMD] key). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 I'll be gettign a Hi-MD unit soon, hopefully tomorrow, I can't wait to try this app out. Thanks for working on this software.←Oh? Which? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Tires Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 I purchased a used NH600D right from our own classified forums. It was such a good opportunity that I couldn't pass it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doclloyd Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Slick little program you have here. I like the CSV output. A quick test showed it to work well. I had a couple titles with semi colons or something my spreadsheet app thought was a field delimiter, but wasn't. Oh well. Kind of a neat way to catalog Hi-MD discs, though. Too bad there isn't an easy way to do this for standard MD discs (for that collection I have of those.) Thanks for your work on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupinIV Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 alexoft,Nice job. I have been working on the same idea and I noticed that you have the same problem I had:Songs outside a group folder are actually listed within the next available Group. Do a simple experiment:Group 1 Song 1 Song 2Song 3 (outside a group)Group 2 Song 4 Song 5With your code (and mine too), Song 3 appears as belonging to Group 2I haven't found a way to ID correctly each song with the proper Group. I and not sure about where to look for this information.Please share information if you can.Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xispe Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 I don't get it, why can't you open your source code ?(It almost seems that you are working for Sony (kidding)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexoft Posted January 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 It almost seems that you are working for Sony (kidding)←I'd love to work for Sony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstyc Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I don't get it, why can't you open your source code ?(It almost seems that you are working for Sony (kidding))←As I said I was trying to save tracks from the hi-md back that you erased from your harddisk by accident, but i still have troubles with own recorded material that's on the same disk and when tracks are in a different order than originally. I had the impression I found some info that could help you with the 'group problem'. Not sure though, but when I have my information with me at the end of the week I will let you know if it can be useful.For me, any info that helps linking the audio to the right trackname (and key etc.) would be very useful.I will then try to post anything I found out (via internet and of my own experience) so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexoft Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 (edited) There are sources (Delphi7) which are attached to the first my post. Edited January 31, 2005 by alexoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corien Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 I think it could be worth of making this thread sticky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaimes Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 This is great manthanks a lot, I was looking for something like this.I have another question: how I can play a track from the Hi-MD disk, some source code??thanks againjaimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgarberich Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Can you give me more information on exactly what this accomplishes? I would really like to transfer live (mic-in) recorded data digitally, rather than analog, but Sony's built in copyright protection prevents any transfer except analog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xispe Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 how come this topic is not sticky? come on!! good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstyc Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 (edited) Can you give me more information on exactly what this accomplishes? I would really like to transfer live (mic-in) recorded data digitally, rather than analog, but Sony's built in copyright protection prevents any transfer except analog.←You can transfer your own analog recordings digitally in sonicstage, (1 time only, so don't start formatting your harddrive afterwards). But it is impossible to copy the data off the minidisc because it's encrypted.I wrote a little tool that can save tracks that you put on your md via sonicstage (not simpleburner), back to your computer. If you delete oma files from the library and from the harddisk from within Sonicstage, you can copy it again from your Hi-MD to your harddisk.EDIT 25/03/2005:- I FIXED A MAJOR BUG (half of the saved tracks would play, and the other half wouldn't). Sorry to all people who tried it and thought it didn't work. This one worked for all (about 60) files I tested.[attachmentid=145]Usage: himd-xtract srcPath dstPath [-l | -g | -c | -a | -s <tracklist>] * When no options are given the program checks if there's an ini-file containing sourcepath\ on the 1st line and destinationpath\ on the 2nd. * -l: Same as no options but with some screen optimization, list all tracks. * -g: List all groups. * -c: List all tracks, comma separated. * -s <tracklist>: save tracks in tracklist (example: 2 5 6..12 14 16..19). * -a: save all tracksExamples: himd-xtract "g:\hmdhifi" "c:\temp" -l will list all the tracks that are on your hi-md (which is disk g: in this case). If the list is too long to fit on 1 screen, use himd-xtract "g:\hmdhifi" "c:\temp" -l | more himd-xtract "g:\hmdhifi" "c:\temp" -s 3 15..19 will save tracks 3 and tracks 15 to 19 from your hi-md to the c:\temp\ folder- BTW: this program can do almost the same as himd_idx if you use it like this, and it has no problems with analog recordings. This will save the track-info to a text-file called c:\mds.txt, and assumes that your himd disk has drive-letter g:. himd-xtract g:\hmdhifi c: > c:\mds.txt If you want the next disk added to the same file, change the disks and then type himd-xtract g:\hmdhifi c: >> c:\mds.txt For a comma separated file, type: himd-xtract g:\hmdhifi c: -c > c:\mds.csvHIMD_Xtract_0.05b.zip Edited March 25, 2005 by fishstyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupinIV Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 This is awesome!!!!I agree, this thread should become a sticky!! Important steps are being taken here.Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Tires Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 This thread is now pinned to the top of the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xispe Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 GREAT!I've tested! It works! With this i can put on sonicstage library tracks that it refused to put due to the DRM. Very good work!This is a great step!After Marc's HIMDRenderer, this one is another important step!You guys should join together! Using this tool with Marc's one, it's possible to download a track from any hi-md and convert it to wav / mp3, without passing throgh SonicStage! Next step is upload!Good Work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Its not as easy as that. With tracks you've recorded yourself (ie: they didnt originate from SS or Simpleburner) there is no DRM info. HIMDRenderer wont be able to convert them because the Sony DLL's it uses refuses to load the file due to the lack of this DRM info.Further more, the encrypted audio data of such material differs from the audio data in the resultant OMA file that SonicStage produces after upload. This means that SonicStage decrypts the HIMD audio, re-encrypts it and stroes the DRM info of the new re-enctpyted version. So attempting to restore from the HIMD data would result in failure since the encryption keys differ (and hence the DRM info) between the HIMD version and the OMA version.GREAT!I've tested! It works! With this i can put on sonicstage library tracks that it refused to put due to the DRM. Very good work!This is a great step!After Marc's HIMDRenderer, this one is another important step!You guys should join together! Using this tool with Marc's one, it's possible to download a track from any hi-md and convert it to wav / mp3, without passing throgh SonicStage! Next step is upload!Good Work!← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzir Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 I wrote a little tool that can save tracks that you put on your md via sonicstage back to your computer. I still need to make a function that will also fill in trackname etc in the oma file. And I should cut off the zeroes at the end, but the files will play. I have also changed the order of tracks on the md, and I think this should work, but any comments are welcome.I still need to find out how i can see if an analog recording has no trackname yet, because otherwise tracks will end up with the wrong filename. Anyone knows how to do that?I tried running the HIMD-Xtract but I get a "This application has failed to start because MSVCP71.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem."Am I doing something wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjerk Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Sounds like a great program. But I have one, maybe stupid, question. Does it works with a normal NetMD (JE780)? I couldn't find it anywhere and I can't test it my self at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaimes Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 HiI think that you need de C++ Runtime libraries from Microsoft (MSVCP71.dll), if yopu have installed yahoo messenger, the MSVCP71.dll is in the yahoo install directory.copy the MSVCP71.dll in the same folder of the application and it must be workJaimeSI tried running the HIMD-Xtract but I get a "This application has failed to start because MSVCP71.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem."Am I doing something wrong?← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredpb Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Anyone get this to work on WIN98SE? Mine don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnitt Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 (edited) hi, i wrote simple Hi-MD music structure readerhttp://home.graffiti.net/alexoft/himd_idx.zipThis program extracts audio data information from Sony's index file TrkidxXX.hma which is located in YOUR_HIMD:\Hmdhifi folder.1) start the himd_idx.exe (you can find it in attachment)2) press "Run" button3) select TrkidxXX.hma from your HiMD.(you need connect your player to PC using USB cable)4) select output rtf file.Program was tested on WinXP.In case if you recorded tracks from mic(line in) some problems might be occur.... ok, sources for Delphi7 -> himd_idx_src.zip ←I have more than one btw: "TRKIDX04.HMA" and "TRKIDX05.HMA" and so on...at my hi-MD that gives me an error in the Himd_idx.exe ... is where any fix/tip outside? Edited March 4, 2005 by schnitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDnewuser Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 fishstyc: as fredpb, i cant get it to work with windows98SE either. Any clues ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mviracca Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Hi,Can't get HiMD idx to work on my Win98SE system, I get an error message saying there is data recorded on the Hi MD and that some errors will occur. At this stage I click Abort, just to be safe.Neither can I get HiMD Xtract 0.05b to work, a DOS window pops up for half a second then the program quits.Any ideas anyone?Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstyc Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 fishstyc: as fredpb, i cant get it to work with windows98SE either. Any clues ?. I didn't test it on Win98, only XP.2 things I know of are needed to make it work.- ".NET framework 1.1" has to be installed...- mfc71.dll can be found at www.dll-files.comI don't know if .NET framework 1.1 exists for Win98...Good luck, and sorry for the late reply I didn't see the message earlier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mviracca Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 - ".NET framework 1.1" has to be installed...Thanks for the reply. Will not be using this on my Win98SE PC since the last time I tried installing .NET my PC went belly up and I had to reinstall Windows from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lingenfr Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 (edited) Is there a similar program for NetMD or will this one work? Looks like Tjerk asked the same question some posts back and never got an answer. I would assume that the file that this program is parsing has a different name and maybe structure on a non-Hi MD, but I don't know. Edited November 12, 2005 by lingenfr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstyc Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Is there a similar program for NetMD or will this one work? Looks like Tjerk asked the same question some posts back and never got an answer. I would assume that the file that this program is parsing has a different name and maybe structure on a non-Hi MD, but I don't know.Read the NetMD FAQsUploading is impossible with NetMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Read the NetMD FAQsUploading is impossible with NetMD.why this post fishtyc? the program discussed in this thread isn't connected to uploading at all... it reads the structure (TOC) of a disc and turns it into a readable format so you get a list of what's on your disc...or as MrSoul said itSo, it simply list the audio tracks in a text formatI don't see why this would need uploading ability... it is simply a simpler way to catalogue what's on your discsbut as for the original question from lingenfr... I'm afraid I dunno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstyc Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) why this post fishtyc? Because I thought that this question, and the first time it was asked, was about HIMD-Xtract. I may have been wrong though Edited November 27, 2005 by fishstyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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