Do U Want A Bigger Size Hi-md(>1g)?

[Guest tony wong]

it seems some people(attention, only some but not all) thinks a 5G Hi-MD is a good idea

Personally I will think, 1G is more than enough

what I am keen on Hi-MD unit is ATRAC3plus(should be Hi-SP actually )

some points to the people who always say u love PCM :

Sony's reason behind using compression codec is simple

1st, it can reduce the read times of the reading head

(well, at 1411k u will need almost 6x times more than ATRAC3plus@256k)

regarding the lens is the most easily malfunction part of a MD player, it's a smart move to use lower bit

2nd, it use less power

[Michael1980]

Deffo, the higher the better. Can't fit many artists on 1Gb, would be nice to have at least 2.

[Fast Eddie]

2-3 GB discs would be ideal, simply because you could use a higher quality setting.

I like recording albums onto discs and then listen with the shuffle feature. I actually find this works better if you don't have more than 16 albums. So I use the LP2 quality on a 1GB disc.

[MZ-NH1]

Yeh, at the moment I can fit about 150 songs onto my 1gb disc, at the highest ATRAC3plus bitrate. I would like to fit more songs on, as I have a lot of brass band music, which takes up LOTS of room, so 5GB would be ideal!

[Fat Tires]

Frankly, the more music I can carry with me the better it is. One thing I like about my MP3/ATRAC3Plus CD player is that I can carry around 7oomb of music with me. Why would I want any less than the same or greater kind of capacity for my MD unit?

[MZ-NH1]

Yeh here here Nismo96, the more music I can carry with me in the less space the better. I don't know why people don't want 5GB discs, because the more space they have, the more music they can fit on, and the less discs they have to have lying around the place. :|

My opinion

[Fat Tires]

Another point to consider is that no one would force an individual to use the entire capacity of any media. Just record/dub/transfer what you want and leave the rest blank if you want.

[burnsie17]

i would love a 5G disk!!!

i mainly use my MD for PCM recording and 1 1/2 hours is not enough. esp if i'm recording a four hour jazz gig or even most classical concerts.

[1kyle]

i would love a 5G disk!!!

i mainly use my MD for PCM recording and 1 1/2 hours is not enough.  esp if i'm recording a four hour jazz gig or even most  classical concerts.

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For PCM then more is better --however I find HI-SP quality good eneough (or more than good enough) for normal listening. Also at this compression level you can fit nearly 8 hours of music / 8 CD's which is fine for 1 disk.

I like the idea of 5GB disks but more for DATA use -- can download pictures from a Camera card (SD) to MD for backup.

The problem with high capacity disks for music is simply re-arranging and ordering all the tracks --gets worse as you increase the capacity.

Also the risk of losing everything is worse with higher capacity disks -- it's risk vs convenience I suppose --but one reason I've never gone for the Hard Disk units (even with the 20GB hard disks) is what happens when you want to get a new machine or the hard disk goes belly up -- can you imagine re-creating your music library all over again -- especially if you have to do it in Real Time.

If a new 5GB unit came out I hope it would still play 1GB and the older 80 / 74 / 60 min discs as well.

I'd give up higher capacity in a moment for a portable device with OPTICAL OUTPUT however.

Cheers

-K

[Michael1980]

Stacking codecs is never good, so recording in pcm and then compressing on the pc is the best way forward for sq.

[KJ_Palmer]

I'd like 5GB disks, but only to get about 8 hours or so of PCM. I don't think I could cope with more music than that on a disk - 8 hours of Hi-SP on a 1GB disk is already more than enough for me. I'm starting to lose track of what's on what...

[Zelnox]

Capcacity for around 200 tracks at high quality would be good. 3GB should be enough?

I guess if you don't recopy, the more the better, eh?

[ROMBUSTERS]

well seeing as 2GB is the only possibilitiy within the FAT limitations, i'd gladly go for a 1.5 or 2GB disc. Just enough without being too much

[Asia]

I second ROMBUSTERS on that 2Go Disc =)

[betamaxDATminidisc]

Yes, 5Gb beyond audio and data: Hi-MD video movie (like DVD).

I need to record in format PCM 2-channels or 4-channels or 6-channels (surround!).

I'd like recording/listening Hi-MD software 5Gb in format DSD 1-bit (like Sharp SACD player/amplifier digital 1-bit!).

[dex Otaku]

well seeing as 2GB is the only possibilitiy within the FAT limitations, i'd gladly go for a 1.5 or 2GB disc. Just enough without being too much

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Not so: the discs use FAT32, so the partition size is not limited to 2GB, nor is the size of the audio file, since WAV's 2GB limit doesn't apply to HiMD. Mind you, on conversion you'd have to live with that limit, unless they chose to support other file formats.

[Guest tony wong]

Yes, 5Gb beyond audio and data: Hi-MD video movie (like DVD).

I need to record in format PCM 2-channels or 4-channels or 6-channels (surround!).

I'd like recording/listening Hi-MD software 5Gb in format DSD 1-bit (like Sharp SACD player/amplifier digital 1-bit!).

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not thinking of this for the first time

no, I don't wanna say about before, but now u mention it.....

seems the reason behind Sony stating the "linear PCM" very clearly is that :

no, if u brought ur SACD or HDCD and come to store it in Hi-MD

nope, u'd kinda downgrade it into PCM first

and now to me, it seems clear why only ATRAC3plus 256kbps is introduced :

it is used to replaced PCM on portable player

(guess)even with higher resolution, u won't notice as Hi-MD is a portable player

(as it is designed to be)

(u won't notice the difference because u often use it outdoor)

[Guest tony wong]

Not so: the discs use FAT32, so the partition size is not limited to 2GB, nor is the size of the audio file, since WAV's 2GB limit doesn't apply to HiMD.  Mind you, on conversion you'd have to live with that limit, unless they chose to support other file formats.

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i do think, whether it's in FAT16 or FAT32 depends on how u format it in windows, right?

[dex Otaku]

FAT16 and FAT32 are partition, not format, types. By default, the partition on HiMDs is FAT32. If you tried to change this, they likely wouldn't work. You could try and find out, though.

[Guest tony wong]

FAT16 and FAT32 are partition, not format, types.  By default, the partition on HiMDs is FAT32.  If you tried to change this, they likely wouldn't work.  You could try and find out, though.

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checked b4 I speak for the first time

u can try right click any drive and choose format

see what format u can choose(where it is under 2g) ?

well, tell u frankly what's the hk sony showroom staff tells me :

if for xp and u r using usb 2.0, no driver is required

only when u r using usb 1.1, driver is required to use the Hi-MD unit

[ROMBUSTERS]

Under windows you have the option to format in both FAT(default) and FAT32

i assume FAT is short for FAT16 so even with a disc that has audio its showing FAT16 as the default. This could either be a Windows defaulting type or the fact that the virtual drive is actually partitioned in FAT16

[Guest tony wong]

Under windows you have the option to format in both FAT(default) and FAT32

i assume FAT is short for FAT16 so even with a disc that has audio its showing FAT16 as the default. This could either be a Windows defaulting type or the fact that the virtual drive is actually partitioned in FAT16

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I think I found the answer :

Hi-MD won't accept Hi-MD disc formated with Windows

it only accept disc formated with SS

that surely means Sony is using one specific file system for Hi-MD

(as long as u would like to use it for audio recording)

well, again for the topic :

well, personally I do think, FAT16 or FAT32 does not matter with the size of "if possible next gen" Hi-MD disc

anyway, Sony can just drop the "compatibility" problem down

a 5G Hi-MD disc does not necessary to be compatible with current 1G Hi-MD unit

MD have its time for more than 10 years, it's time for a stop and for a new thing

[twoheadedboy]

I'm not a fan of the 5GB disc idea simply because of cost. Considerng that 1GB costs $7, this means that a 5GB disc would be at LEAST $35 (and would actually be more than that). Also, the rumored 5GB disc in development is not backwards compatible with our current 1GB discs. Not good.

2GB would be perfect for me...that's 3 hr 8 min of PCM audio per disc, perfect to tape nearly any band's concert house music to house music without having to change discs even during set changes. I would hope for the discs to be cheaper than $15 but if that's what I had to pay, that's what I had to pay. I could use 1GB discs for opening bands.

I realize that MD's focus is not necessarily tapers, but considering its price point it should be, because it's more expensive than higher capacity HD recorders and bigger (and now in many cases, lower in capacity) than solid state recorders. CF will soon meet or beat Hi-MD media costs too, unless they drop the price.

[Christopher]

No no, if there is to be a higher density, then the one gigabyte discs would be compatible with it, but not regular MD discs.

[Guest tony wong]

No no, if there is to be a higher density, then the one gigabyte discs would be compatible with it, but not regular MD discs.

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got u again

is it "next news" ?

[Woodgnome]

The Original Sony literature on release states that 200G Hi-MD is the limitation. This may be a mistake from a marketing man at Sony - but that's what it said.

I do concur that 2G is a FAT16 limitation (with 4K cluster size?) However they use FAT32 which supports - guess what - circa 200G ???!!!.

I'm sure Sony would prefer us all to just buy new players again (which of course will play the "old" 1G disks

Woodgnome

Yes, 5Gb beyond audio and data: Hi-MD video movie (like DVD).

I need to record in format PCM 2-channels or 4-channels or 6-channels (surround!).

I'd like recording/listening Hi-MD software 5Gb in format DSD 1-bit (like Sharp SACD player/amplifier digital 1-bit!).

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Edited February 23, 2005 by Woodgnome

[Christopher]

got u again

is it "next news" ?

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It's "next news" in the sense that there is already scientific papers that prove higher densities are on the plate, and with common sense there's no doubt that evolution in this sense will occur..

[Guest tony wong]

It's "next news" in the sense that there is already scientific papers that prove higher densities are on the plate, and with common sense there's no doubt that evolution in this sense will occur..

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.....what I mean is "next gen larger Hi-MD will only support 1G Hi-MD" this "news"

u mention "IT WILL SUPPORT 1G Hi-MD"

[MAVickers]

FAT16 and FAT32 are partition, not format, types.  By default, the partition on HiMDs is FAT32.  If you tried to change this, they likely wouldn't work.  You could try and find out, though.

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Hrm... mine says FAT.

[jillako]

I think that Sony already has the technology to make discs more dense. They should've used the same technology used in UMD and made the PSP compatible with Minidisc. That way, everyone would've been exposed to minidisc. Even the 1GB Hi-MD would be way more preferable than the 1GB Memory stick that I have to buy now..

By putting in Hi-MD players in the PSPs Sony could've given the format a shot in the arm - everyone would've been out buying Hi-MD recorders just so they can get data (music, movies) into their PSPs!!

[Breepee2]

Well I wouldn't mind bigger at all, but for music, I doubt a 1GB disc will be not enough for my needs (unless they become as cheap as normal discs and I can just fill the with PCM ). If they'll release movies on it then I'd like 5GB versions indeed THAT would be reel nice!

[Embio]

well seeing as 2GB is the only possibilitiy within the FAT limitations, i'd gladly go for a 1.5 or 2GB disc. Just enough without being too much

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(I have little technical knowledge)

could you trick the system? make a single physical disc 2 'discs', yet sonicstage would 'know' that its just the one and treat it as such?

[Michael1980]

I think that Sony already has the technology to make discs more dense. They should've used the same technology used in UMD and made the PSP compatible with Minidisc. That way, everyone would've been exposed to minidisc. Even the 1GB Hi-MD would be way more preferable than the 1GB Memory stick that I have to buy now..

By putting in Hi-MD players in the PSPs Sony could've given the format a shot in the arm - everyone would've been out buying Hi-MD recorders just so they can get data (music, movies) into their PSPs!!

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Can't have UMD in Minidiscs because you will waste your batteries after one minute of recording.

Can't have HiMD in PSP because it will take a long time to load games.

BTW, what do you need a 1GB memory stick for? Are you going to use the PSP for music?

[MAVickers]

(I have little technical knowledge)

could you trick the system? make a single physical disc 2 'discs', yet sonicstage would 'know' that its just the one and treat it as such?

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For the PC, maybe, but unlikely for the unit itself. There may be a way to partition a >2BG MD to show up as two different drives on a PC, but it would take less effort (IMO) to create a unit that reads FAT32 than to create a unit that reads multiple FAT partitions off an MD.

[ROMBUSTERS]

For the PC, maybe, but unlikely for the unit itself. There may be a way to partition a >2BG MD to show up as two different drives on a PC, but it would take less effort (IMO) to create a unit that reads FAT32 than to create a unit that reads multiple FAT partitions off an MD.

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maybe but if the 1st gen units indeed are able to only read in FAT16 then it might be more 'worthwhile' to make one that is 'backwards compatible'

wait who are we trying to kid here its sony lol

[jillako]

Can't have UMD in Minidiscs because you will waste your batteries after one minute of recording.

Can't have HiMD in PSP because it will take a long time to load games.

BTW, what do you need a 1GB memory stick for? Are you going to use the PSP for music?

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If that is the case, couldn't they have made UMD in the same form factor, or at least so it could accept Hi-MD discs? I understand that UMD works best for games but the PSP could have been a bonus Hi-MD player.

I need the 1GB Memory Stick for movies mostly. A full-size movie at optimal MPEG4 quality would take around 700MB of space. Of course, the PSP will also play back MP3s (& ATRAC hopefully)

[Sparda]

Surely the more the better! But are thoses capacities even possible? Maybe in the future the capacity will improve, but i doubt its possible for now.

[Guest tony wong]

If that is the case, couldn't they have made UMD in the same form factor, or at least so it could accept Hi-MD discs? I understand that UMD works best for games but the PSP could have been a bonus Hi-MD player.

I need the 1GB Memory Stick for movies mostly. A full-size movie at optimal MPEG4 quality would take around 700MB of space. Of course, the PSP will also play back MP3s (& ATRAC hopefully)

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I can only find source that tells ATRAC3plus is supported

http://www.scei.co.jp/products/psp.html

[lamewing]

I can only find source that tells ATRAC3plus is supported

http://www.scei.co.jp/products/psp.html

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I have a PSP that I imported. SS 3.0 recognizes it, but won't transfer files to it. Supposedly my Duo Pro mem card isn't compatible since it isn't Magic Gate tech. Also, if I drag and drop the Atrac files to the PSP nothing happens.

Maybe there will be an update to the PSP firmware. I did test this out at my local coffee shop and it perfectly connected to the wireless network and checked for the latest firmware update. Nice.

[Guest tony wong]

I have a PSP that I imported. SS 3.0 recognizes it, but won't transfer files to it. Supposedly my Duo Pro mem card isn't compatible since it isn't Magic Gate tech. Also, if I drag and drop the Atrac files to the PSP nothing happens.

Maybe there will be an update to the PSP firmware. I did test this out at my local coffee shop and it perfectly connected to the wireless network and checked for the latest firmware update. Nice.

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psp should be using some other software as it also support MP4 video

Edited March 4, 2005 by tony wong