valurot Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 What are the implications regarding Hi-MD (i.e. SS and Simple Burner) in light of the new Apple/Intel partnership?Are there any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekdroid Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 What are the implications regarding Hi-MD (i.e. SS and Simple Burner) in light of the new Apple/Intel partnership?Are there any?will they make SonicStage for Mac? Personally, I doubt it, but nothing's been announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valurot Posted November 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I was just reading that with the new capabilities, it may be possible to boot Windows from within OS X and run any Windows programs flawlessly. But... that sounds too good to be true. AND I know nothing about computers. I'll look for the related links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Apple's switching processors does not imply the easier porting of software; the OS and its underlying philosophy is still entirely different [from the Windows world], as are the majority of development tools outside of the open-source way of doing things. I seriously doubt that Apple moving to Intel processors will have any effect on Sony's [non-] Apple support.That said, it's probable that Windows "emulation" layers or already-existing software that runs Windows from OSX will see greatly-enhanced performance from not having to translate for differing processors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 No effect at all I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananatree Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Since the core is a bit different, then we may see sony peek their head up and look to OSX.For the same reason that old Xbox games need an emulator to run on the Xbox 360, Sony may have less trouble making an OSX version.Going from Windows to IntelOSX would be similar to going from Linux to Windows no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Windows -> intel OS X would be more like Windows -> linux.The biggest issues that I see are caused by the various programming APIs out there; the ones that are shared amongst all three of the above are pretty much anaethema to anyone who wants to make software that is to stay 100% proprietary. It's certainly not that it can't be done; it's more that it's not an attractive option for companies who actually want to force total lock-in on their customers - companies like Sony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daremo Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 I wonder if it would run under something like Wine. Though I highly doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 It already runs under WINE. I dunno, Mac and Hi-MD may become a possible reality once they move to Intel, but with their divisions floundering as they are I don't see any possibility of a sudden surge of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 (edited) I don't see a business case for it either. The windows market share is 97% Apple 1.5%. Why bother? Its a pity but thats the reality. Edited November 29, 2005 by Sparky191 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Well, it's a little higher than that -- 4.12% of the visitors here are people on Mac computers. That doesn't speak for everyone, but is noteable nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breepee2 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Besides the marketshare, a professional company just makes sure it's users are not locked into anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Besides the marketshare, a professional company just makes sure it's users are not locked into anything.I guess that makes neither Sony nor Apple very professional, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrain Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Besides the marketshare, a professional company just makes sure it's users are not locked into anything.that's a very odd statement breepee, imo most companies spend time & money to make sure you are locked into a 'path' of purchasing, esp. their particular product, whatever it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPlitude Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 i dont see that anything will change cuz its just a hardware thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Besides the marketshare, a professional company just makes sure it's users are not locked into anything.I would have said the opposite. Well, it's a little higher than that -- 4.12% of the visitors here are people on Mac computers. That doesn't speak for everyone, but is noteable nonetheless.Thats an even smaller number. On a global scale is that small a number worth it? I doubt it. This is not a small specialist company, but a massive one where economies of scale are all important. Sony needs to reposition the HiMD to leverage its strengths, not enter the home market of iPod as a player. What hope does it as a player against the iPod? Its best hope is to repostion as a tool for musicans, home mixes and recordings, and for recording lectures, meetings etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Sony needs to reposition the HiMD to leverage its strengths, not enter the home market of iPod as a player. What hope does it as a player against the iPod? Its best hope is to repostion as a tool for musicans, home mixes and recordings, and for recording lectures, meetings etc.The point isn't tot market against the iPod. It's to market the product on its own strengths - which would well-serve a rather sizeable market of audio amateurs and professionals who do their work exclusively on Macs. In the multimedia world, my current observations based on people I know and work/play with, about 50-65% of the audio people run Macs exclusively.That's a pretty sizeable market to ignore, considering it's exactly who they should be aiming their products at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrius Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Sony won't develop SS for Mac. It'd be too stable and they'd have a hard time implementing crash and error routines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 The point isn't tot market against the iPod. It's to market the product on its own strengths - which would well-serve a rather sizeable market of audio amateurs and professionals who do their work exclusively on Macs. In the multimedia world, my current observations based on people I know and work/play with, about 50-65% of the audio people run Macs exclusively.That's a pretty sizeable market to ignore, considering it's exactly who they should be aiming their products at.So if they couldn't sell enough units in 97% of the PC market to make it worthwile you think selling to another 1.5% (or 5%) will make all the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) the often mac-using (semi-)pro market would easily buy more than 1 portable HiMD recorder. They would buy a couple, and also get decks and optional other stuff (computer docks that make downloading/uploading easier without wear-n-tear on the portables etc). They would also be willing to pay a bit more while a number of "show elements" (OLED, MP3-playback,...) could be dumped ...but only if the remaining useful functions would open up for mac users (for example a3+ recordings need to be uploadable for journalists, so they can use the huge amount of rec-time as well) and the build qualtity is further worked on (sturdy looking models will attract more semi-pro attention than plasticy looking gadgets...even if they actually are sturdy or not)so yes, I do think that further opening up to mac could help make HiMD (a simple line with one good portable, one brilliant deck and perhaps some other application) profitable as a (semi-)pro niche medium...as no other type of recorder yet offers the same SQ, ease of use (but Sony, this could still be improved...let the recorders remember manual settings!!), options and (let's be honest) reliability (even though there's still room for improvement as well, but other machines like the m-audio stuff aren't really risk-free either or are they?) for this price!!The disappearance of DAT creates a big hole in this market... thing is that Sony needs to act fast! If they do not come out with a semi-pro range (full option deck, 1 well-built portable,...) and promise to support it as a (semi-pro-)format for years to come, the gap will be filled with all diferent sorts of (flash/HD) recorders which still offer less for the same money, but that have companies behind them that actually believe in their product...just my opinion though, feel free to differ... not you Sony, you just listen to what I just said and put in some effort for once Edited November 30, 2005 by The Low Volta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGB2 Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 All Sony needs to do to be successful is LISTEN to it's customers.Type "Sony hi-md deck" into google and you get loads of hits from message boards saying: "when are they available?" "I'd have one IF they were available""I would really like a Hi-MD deck"etc.C'mon Sony, for Pete's sake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblin Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 yep, basicly sony starved the format to death...that and the draconian drm system is what killed it, not a lack of market... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamewing Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 I was just reading that with the new capabilities, it may be possible to boot Windows from within OS X and run any Windows programs flawlessly. But... that sounds too good to be true. AND I know nothing about computers. I'll look for the related links.Nope. You will be able to load windows onto the intel mac, but just because the mac has an intel chip doesn't mean any windows software will run under OS X. There hasn't been any mention of an emulatoin layer either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Would be incredibly slow too. You'd have to look closely at what they mean by "flawlessly". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblin Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 the speed depends on a lot of factors. if apple choose to use a intel cpu with virtualization ability then windows should reach near native speeds...one could allso go the wine route and create a translation layer between win32 librarys and the librarys used in os x.but anything else will seriously impact the speed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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