Atrac3 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Hi.I like a lot this forum since there are so many MD fans here, yet!!!Brief presentation of myself (skip it if you want):I'm Italian and I live in Italy = few MD users... ;-((In 1998 (or in 1999) I did search a valid replacement for my portable (mono!!) tape recorder.I did tray a Sony MZ-R30 and... "it was love" but, since in the shop there was also a MDS-S38 deck,I did buy both them... ;-))Both work fine today yet...Then, in 2004 I did buy a Sony MZ-NH900 with the new powerful HI-MD feature.Since here in Italy few HiFi shops have MD recorders/players available yet, I did order a new sony MZ-RH1 in USA and I'm waiting it...So the question: I remember that beautiful Sony catalogues full of MD decks (like the best MD decks in the ES series), but then I have not seen them since the last more recent italian version of the Sony catalogues do not report any info about MD replaced by Super Audio CD decks or by MP3 portable units (!!!!). So, are there MD decks compatible with Hi-MD format?I would like to see two or three Sony Hi-MD decks available, although many peoples say that MZ-RH1 will be the last MD unit that Sony will made... ;-(( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury_in_flames Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Yes, but not in europe. Onkyo make them. You can get one from www.audiocubes.com, or buyfromjapan.com or another website that imports stuff exclusive to japan to the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielbb90 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Don't www.minidisco.com have those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) I've bought an Onkyo MD-133 and MD-105FX for 450 euros and 350 euros (including shipping, tension inverter (240V/100V), and customs fees), using pricejapan.com( i live in France ). Edited July 26, 2006 by garcou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avrin Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) Now I wonder why nobody noticed that the ONKYO decks ARE NOT Hi-MD compliant, but are only decks with some Hi-MD compatibility. Don't forget that the Hi-MD technology includes the capability to copy data, which ONKYO decks are not capable of. Edited July 26, 2006 by Avrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 For data, portable units do the job very well.A deck is the best for audiophile listenning. In this situation, data is not very important, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karmageddon Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 WOWZERSI had NO IDEA there was a Hi-MD Deck made by ONKYO. I just assumed that since SONY wasn't making home decks that none were in existence.*drools*Holy crap! Still can't believe this....I thought SHARP only had the additional license and thats why they made those boomboxes with Hi-MD compatibility..does anyone know how the sound is of one these ONKYO units? digi outs? does it play all formats of the ATRAC3+ codec? (i.e. 192, 256, 352)curious.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 no digi out iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 WOWZERSdoes anyone know how the sound is of one these ONKYO units? digi outs? does it play all formats of the ATRAC3+ codec? (i.e. 192, 256, 352)curious.... Guess you better ask Garcou to be sure, but if they are anything like the bookshelf the sq will be superb. And they should playback all Hi-MD rates but will only record on the unit in 64/256/PCM and Mono/SP/LP2/LP4 for legacy formatted discs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) Actually the sound is extremely good, play and record exactely the codec/bitrates richyhu said. (no Mp3)Sharp HiMd boomboxes??? Are you sure?? Edited July 26, 2006 by garcou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Sharp HiMd boomboxes??? Are you sure?? That's what I thought... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karmageddon Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 That's what I thought... .I guess it must be my bad memory. I could have sworn I heard about a japanese SHARP Hi-MD mini-bookshelf system...maybe it was an ONKYO...my bad....I also take it the ONKYO untis are made specificly for for the bookshelf systems as the dimesions are about half that of a regular deck, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) [attachmentid=1916]105FX is half.133 is 2/3 of regular size (midi) Edited July 26, 2006 by garcou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karmageddon Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 that makes me happy with joy...it still is sleek and silver so it will match my new and old components. mabe i'll make some wood side-panneling for it and make it look retro?hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZosoIV Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 To the poster above: does the Onkyo sound as good as your JA20ES? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungerdunger Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Now I wonder why nobody noticed that the ONKYO decks ARE NOT Hi-MD compliant, but are only decks with some Hi-MD compatibility. Don't forget that the Hi-MD technology includes the capability to copy data, which ONKYO decks are not capable of.Also, any prospective purchasers should be aware that the Onkyo decks don't have a timer facility. I was thinking of buying one myself, but as I do a lot of timed recordings from the radio I decided I could not do without this feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrac3 Posted July 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Thanks to all... ;-))I did not know Onkyo produce HI-MD decks.It sounds very interesting!!!!For Gracou:How many Sony MD (ES series) do you have????Congratulations: they are all very powerful beast :-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Two: MDS- JA 3ES (atrac SP 3.5) very good sounding with 2 microphone (L/R) input! MDS-JA20ES (atracSP 4.5 typeR) great great soundListenning legacy md (like prerecorded) Onkyo doesn't totally reach JA20ES quality, but is quite close and far better than JB980 that I have eared.Listenning HIMD (PCM or hisp) Onkyo sounds betterThe ideal deck : Himd version of the 20 ES with microphones input! (and i will sell all the 3!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrac3 Posted July 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Two or Three?? (in your photo there is another unit yet...).However, congratulations since I always have heard good opinions about ES serie.If they was Hi-MD compatible then I did want to buy one to put near my Sony A4 DAT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Two or Three?? (in your photo there is another unit yet...).However, congratulations since I always have heard good opinions about ES serie.If they was Hi-MD compatible then I did want to buy one to put near my Sony A4 DAT...The third is audio video amplfier (Sony ES too! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzray Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 i am GLAD that i am all through with MD's (Dj'ing); but i (rayzray) admit this thread excited me a bit.perhaps an Oki for my personal use; but the word "compatable" only means it is only "half of a Man". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrac3 Posted July 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 My mistake... I would like to write SONY DTC-A6 (maybe I did think to Audi A4...) and not A4... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cangrejito Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Maybe these Onkyo guys should also make car stereos with Hi-MD...or do they already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGB2 Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) Its all lack of ambition by Sony. It would not be hard to make a deck that would take 1GB discs, and judging by demand, if they made just 2 decks as a trial (a pro and a semi-pro/budget) they would make a large profit for little expense.Hell, they still make SACD players - and who uses those?? Edited July 30, 2006 by MDGB2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrac3 Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 For garcou:350 euros for an Onkyo MD-105FX sounds very interesting to me... :-))I also will try to find one at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 I suggest you check out PriceJapan for importing stuff into Europe. (By the way - where in Italy are you?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrac3 Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 In the south of Italy (under Rome...).I did take a look to oricejapan.com but it seems that 'Onkyo' is not present in its catalogue... ;-(( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 In the south of Italy (under Rome...).I did take a look to oricejapan.com but it seems that 'Onkyo' is not present in its catalogue... ;-((It is a post I made for MDFR (french Md forum) about how to order with pricejapan.When I have time , I will edit for Englih version (but I think french is easy for an italian! )Contrairement à ce que disent les 2 post prédédents les platines onkyo sont toujours bien en vente au Japon!!! En fait Pricejapan.com ne joue que le role d'intermédiaire (il prennent 5%) entre les magasins japonais et le consommateur étranger.Il y a plusieurs étapes:1) Tu recherches grace au lien fourni sur leur site, le meilleur prix pour le produit (une sorte de Kelkoo japonais: attention taper uniquement la référence du modèle sans la marque; ex MD-105FX ; ne t'inquiète pas des caractères japonais sur le site; clique sur lien vers le marchand le moins cher et une fois sur la page, copie l'adresse se trouvant dans la barre d'adresse.2) si tu ne commandes qu'un seul produit tu peux remplir le formulaire en ligne sur le site de pricejapan, mais comme tu va avoir besoin d'un transfo, il faut leur envoyer un e-mail sur le même modèle. Voici le mail que j'ai envoyé à info@pricejapan.com il y a un mois lors de ma dernière commande (tansfo+md-105FX):I want to buy these two items: ONKYO MD DECK + TRAVEL INVERTER (If possible ship the 2 items in one package) :Sender: truc@machin.com (ton adresse e-mail)Maker: KASHIMURAModel No: TI-352Name: XXXXXX jean-yves (ton NOM-prénom)City: FRANCESite Address: http://www.rakuten.co.jp/e-first/239956/19.../199576/#213655 (l'adresse de la page internet du produit)E-mail: truc@machin.com How to pay: Credit card via paypal+Sender: truc@machin.comMaker: ONKYOModel No: MD-105FXName: XXXXXX jean-yvesCity: FRANCESite Address: http://www.rakuten.co.jp/masanios/596973/6.../617427/#658651E-mail: truc@machin.comHow to pay: Credit card via paypal3) ils te répondent par mail en te précisant le prix total incluant le port (mais sans les éventuel frais de douane à régler lors de la réception). Voici ce que j'ai reçu :Thanks for inquiry. price of Onkyo MD-105FX; 28,140 Yen at http://www.rakuten.co.jp/masanios/596973/6.../617427/#658651 TRAVEL INVERTER price; 2550 Yen (28140 Yen + 2550 Yen + 4.2 kg EMS cost 8600 Yen + our minum fee 4000 yen) x shipping insurance 1.007 x 1.033 (paypal credit card fee) = 45,031 Yen If you want it, please send 45,031 Yen to our paypal account, info@pricejapan.com (it must be Yen-noted money) Thanks again.Kanedawww.pricejapan.com Your phone No. is required for shipping, as well as shipping address.After wire, as a confirmation, please send your shipping address and phone No. by ordinary email.(state name required.. Without state name, shipment will be delayed.) 4) tu payes la somme en euros ou yens par paypal5) lorsque tu reçois le mail-accusé de réception de paypal, tu renvoies ton adresse exacte et détaillée à mail@pricejapan.com sous la forme (copié du formulaire en ligne) :Maker ONKYO Model No. MD-105FX Maker KASHIMURA Model No. TI-352 Payment Amount 45031 JPYHow to pay paypal with credit cardFirst Name Jean-YvesLast Name XXXXXXXXXZIP xxxxxAddress 10 rue des xxxxx, XXXXXXXXXXXXXCountry FRANCEPhone Number xxxxxxxxxxMobile Phone xxxxxxxxxxxEmail Address truc@machin.com6) tu reçois un mail de pricejapan qui te confirme le paiement et l'envoie du colis par chronopost ou équivalent.7) tu paies les frais de douane à chronopost à la reception (50€)le modèle MD- 133 est plus haut de gamme. Je trouve qu'il sonne un peu plus fin et nuancé. Voici un lien (à vérifier avec le « kelkoo » japonais qu'il n'y a pas moins cher) : http://item.rakuten.co.jp/audio/md133 Bonne commande !Version anglaise / English version:Contrary to what has been said elsewhere the Onkyo decks are still on sale in Japan.In effect Pricejapan.com simply plays the role of intermediary (they take 5%) between Japanese retailers and the foreign consumer.There are several stages:1) You look up – thanks to the links on their site – the best price for the product (using either rakuten.co.jp or kakaku.com – a kind of Japanese Kelkoo). Be careful to type only the model number without the manufacturer name; eg. MD-105FX; don't worry about the Japanese characters on the site; click on the link to the cheapest seller and once on the page copy the address from the address bar of your browser. (If using kakaku you can also copy the link of the summary page listing all the sellers).2) If you are only ordering one product you can fill in the online form on the pricejapan site, but as you will also need a transformer, you must send them a mail in the same format. Here is the mail I sent to info@pricejapan.com a month ago for my last order (transformer + md-105fx) :I want to buy these two items: ONKYO MD DECK + TRAVEL INVERTER (If possible ship the 2 items in one package) :Sender: thingy@whatever.com (your e-mail address)Maker: KASHIMURAModel No: TI-352Name: XXXXXX jean-yves (your surname-firstname)City: FRANCESite Address: http://www.rakuten.co.jp/e-first/239956/19.../199576/#213655 (address of the product page you found)E-mail: thingy@whatever.com How to pay: Credit card via paypal+Sender: thingy@whatever.comMaker: ONKYOModel No: MD-105FXName: XXXXXX jean-yvesCity: FRANCESite Address: http://www.rakuten.co.jp/masanios/596973/6.../617427/#658651E-mail: thingy@whatever.comHow to pay: Credit card via paypal3) They will respond by email specifying the total price including shipping (but minus any possible customs fees payable on delivery) Here is what I recevied : Thanks for inquiry. price of Onkyo MD-105FX; 28,140 Yen at http://www.rakuten.co.jp/masanios/596973/6.../617427/#658651 TRAVEL INVERTER price; 2550 Yen (28140 Yen + 2550 Yen + 4.2 kg EMS cost 8600 Yen + our minum fee 4000 yen) x shipping insurance 1.007 x 1.033 (paypal credit card fee) = 45,031 Yen If you want it, please send 45,031 Yen to our paypal account, info@pricejapan.com (it must be Yen-noted money) Thanks again.Kanedawww.pricejapan.com Your phone No. is required for shipping, as well as shipping address.After wire, as a confirmation, please send your shipping address and phone No. by ordinary email.(state name required.. Without state name, shipment will be delayed.) 4) You pay the total amount in Yen or Euro via Paypal (or in USD / Yen if sending Paypal cash – see their site for full payment options)5) Once you receive the payment confirmation mail from Paypal you send your exact shipping address and phone number to mail@pricejapan.com using the following layout : (copied from the online form) :Maker ONKYO Model No. MD-105FX Maker KASHIMURA Model No. TI-352 Payment Amount 45031 JPY (enter amount you paid)How to pay paypal with credit card (or other method used)First Name Jean-YvesLast Name XXXXXXXXXZIP xxxxxAddress 10 rue des xxxxx, XXXXXXXXXXXXXCountry FRANCEPhone Number xxxxxxxxxxMobile Phone xxxxxxxxxxxEmail Address thingy@whatever.com6) You receive an email from pricejapan confirming the payment sent and the despatch of the package via chronopost or equivalent (EMS / DHL) 7) You pay the customs taxes to the courier on delivery.The MD-133 model is the top of the range. I find it sounds slightly more refined and detailed. Here is a link (please check with the Japanese sites that there is not one available for less):http://item.rakuten.co.jp/audio/md133 Happy ordering ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Good tip Garcou - if you want I could translate it into english for you. Interesting to see you used Rakuten - just curious is this because you couldn't find them with Kakaku? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Sorry, I didn't know Kakaku exists! Should I better use it?Shame on me, my englih is so bad! And I don't speak one word of dutch! Congratulation for you speaking french, you can translate if you have time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Sorry, I didn't know Kakaku exists! Should I better use it?Shame on me, my englih is so bad! And I don't speak one word of dutch! Congratulation for you speaking french, you can translate if you have time! I don't know - I used Kakaku in the past with PriceJapan, but having said that I couldn't find either of the Onkyo decks on there. My dutch is pretty non-existent (I only live there). If I have some time later tonight or tomorrow I will translate your post. PS: Your english is excellent it is just that it is always more difficult to translate into a foreign language (as opposed to reading something in another language and translating it into your mother tongue). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrac3 Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Thanks for your nice tip, Garcou :-)Excuse me, if I did understand well: a Onkyo deck should cost 45,031.00 Japan Yen (about 308 EURos) + 50 EURos for import duty tax ??And do you know if the AC power converter is necessary for Italy, too??Thanks again :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Not sure what the current prices are exactly - but to answer your other question - yes you will definitely need the power convertor in Italy too. The decks only accept 100V input - Italy like most of the rest of Europe has 220~230V. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrac3 Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 OK.Thank you :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Garcou - I edited your post with instructions to contain an explanation in english. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcou Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Good work, Richyhu.Think it will help some Md lovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sefarad Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Hello everybody.I see in the forum speak about theOnkyo MD-105FX(S) @ AudioCubes Onkyo MD-133(S) @ AudioCubes Onkyo MD-133(S) @ MiniDisco But in this page, Onkyo have two models that anybody speak about it. Do you know anything of it?.http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/hi-fi_c...yers/index.htmlRegards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Hi there - unfortunately both of the models on the page you link to are not Hi-MD compatible only MDLP. The Hi-MD models are only for the Japanese market but can be imported through some of the etailers you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sefarad Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Ups!. Certainly Richyhu.I must read better!.Is really the MD-133 better than 105Fx?. Is it only for the connectors?.Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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