freddyjollo

the compression only applies to reducing the size of the resulting file, where datas is THROWN AWAY - its not a zip/unzip idea. Atrac codecs used various psycho-acoustic facts like if 2 sounds are of the same frequency with one quieter than the other , you wont hear the quiet one so can be discarded without impairing the sound you hear- maybe a Martian could hear the difference but Humans cant

another one at a low price in whats looks like to be good condition on UK Ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272513834572?ul_noapp=true also this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Walkman-MZB10-Personal-MiniDisc-Player-/172478902528

a new low start price MZ-B10 on UK ebay worth keeping an eye on over xmas ( when people are away ? ) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Walkman-MZ-B10-Personal-MiniDisc-Player-Never-used-/172456486108?hash=item28273524dc:g:UWQAAOSw6DtYXRot

if you can find any......

it aint as simple as you think to replace the belt. is very easy to damage the mechanism. some one here already has...... there is a thread here on it if you search

The sony MZ-B10 doesnt have tone controls unlike other of their models but does have 2 sound settings that emphasise voice - I think they added this to make the little speakers they have include half useable - and it works quite well even for simple vocal music ( it aint hifi more like a tranny ) - the speakers is the reason I like the portable as some times cant be bothered to get out the headphones.- that and the battery life ( the 2 panasonic AA i am using must have run atleast 10 hrs now and still the battery level says full )

no never seen one of those - but seems to be an earlier version ( 2001 ) of the B10 ( 2003 ) - same sort of thing "business recorder" from the minidisc.org page seems to have stereo mic than the mono of the B10. also only uses 1 AA battery so wont last as long. No indication of the atrac type so presumably not R/S as the B10 has. UK Ebay has in the last few months had quite a few of the B10 at good prices - one a few days ago went for I think £51 - mine were no more than £60 each. so they can be got at a sensible price. matter of waiting and telling ebay to email when a new offer comes up

have you looked at the manual troubler shooter? while waiting for some one to reply? or even contact sony? http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/4233759133.pdf I see there is a reset command on page 50 cant post it here as goes all messy

since you had a deck get another one now? the Sony JB940's can be cheap. if you dont want a deck then maybe the easiest "portable" to record on for MDLP is the sony MZ-B10 - it is Type R/S atrac has built in speakers ( tinny yes ) and is easy to record with as it was intended as a dictophone, It has one button recording ( a very large button). and doesnt use some complicated menu system - it has separate buttons for selecting record mode and disc erase. it rests on the table nicely, I use this for recording from my PC's optical out - the screen is quite large. You could regard it as a mini-deck, has optical in and built in mic. Not sure about editing. They come up on Ebay quite often( in UK) some times at good prices ( UK approx £60 ) but there are some chancers trying to get £100+ ( hehehhe). I bought 2 recently in fine condtion for £50-60, takes 2 AA batteries that last for ages, or a 3V adapter. One of the few Sony MD I really love. If you do go for one look for one that dont have the silver paint worn off the record button, as that means been used a lot for recording? http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sony_MZ-B10.html

I know as I have got some but will they be available in 5 years time? any way so much money for so little is quite offensive? pure exploitation - should be 10 for £7 or so. And I bet they charge P&P on top? Any way nice to have an alternative to Ebay

cant remember which thread discussed the loader/Eject mechanism using a tiny rubber belt that will inevitably stretch over the years and the disc wont eject as a result. QUestion was you cannt depend on the replacement belts being available on Ebay for ever so a substitute would be nice. A guy on another forum suggest LOOM BANDS ( what ever they are for? ) he said they are typically not good quality but they work ( but for how long he mused ) Certainly they are very cheap and plntiful on Ebay

well i have both SF v 9 & 10 installed on my Windows 8.1 pc so dont know what " the way file types are installed" here means and I get the behaviour as described - the save button preserves the type of source file when an edit is saved eg Lp2 or Lp4 ( Atrac3) in v 9 but not v 10 which are changed to an atrac3plus codec at 192kbs, typically 3 times the size in bytes. I noted other issues with the saveas button that when you make custom templates I cant change the format/codec information.description field for it in 10 where it says 192kbs even if it aint, but can in 9. I conclude some bugs have crept in, in v10

I assume you also cant use the "save" button (rather than saveas,) which dont have any template options and saves to the source without changeing format in any way in v9 but not 10? dont know why haveing so much trouble getting this across here.

well under windows 8.1 the save button functions. I assume u mean Windows 10 in your case.

You seem to talking exclusively about the saveas button, whereas I am concerned with the "save" button seems like you never use the "save" button - I would assume it selects format and bit rate automatically to be the same as the original as it overwrites the original so that the "saveas" button is only needed if you want to do format conversion eg mp3 to atrac and output to a different file, This assumption is true for v9 but not v10 where the "save" button does a format conversion and there seems to be no way to stop it other than not use the button - this seems to be a bug or alternatively v10 has been written as if minidisc doesnt exist and the format upgrade that the "save" button seems to do a good thing ( as you wont be saving it to a minidisc disc ever ) v9 will save to an oma file extension IF I USE THE "SAVE" button ( the very same file as the original). The "saveas" wont it changes to a "aa3" You still dont seem have answered my question it seems about what the "SAVE" button in the task bar does on your installation? Unlike you I do just simple edits and saves, want to strip out material not part of a file, press a button and save without further a do and the deletion is all thats happened - thats what the "save" button is supposed to do and does so under v9 but not v10 it seems The build of v10 ( build 152 ) I have seems have issues - not only the dubious "save" behaviour but also the handling of new templates in the "saveas" function where you dont seem to be able to change the format description as mentioned in my previous post

what about the "save" button? thats my issue not "saveas" ( I can see now it is possible to use that to saveas Lp2/Lp4) No templates are visible for "save" it seems to be fixed at atrac3plus/192 what build is yours mine is 152 RE v10 I have noticed dont seem to be able to change the "format " description field when you set up a custom format - stays at "Audio: 192 Kbps, 44,100 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, ATRAC3plus" wont allow me to delete that or change that but can with v9

hmm I dont seem to be making my self clear. I am talking about useing the save button on the task bar which "should" save to the format that the orginal was with no intervention? v10 dont, v9 does. Any way the "save as" button" that brings up templates dont include any original Atrac formats so you cant make a template to save to Lp4 or Lp2. If you look at my screen shots of the orginal and edits info you can see that the LP2.Atrac3/132 kbs was turned into Atrac3plus/192 kbs and larger file size using v10. The screen shots for v9 dont, everything is preserved. Not sure how i can make my self clearer? Are you saying your installations dont do that? Your copy of V10 DONT without convert Atrac3 Lp2/Lp4 to Atrac3Plus/192kbs when you edit and do a save? Why is this a problem? well if you use Net Md and Lp2/Lp4 SS will have to convert any original Atrac3 LP2/LP4 files that were edited using SF from atrac3plus BACK to atrac3 again before saving to a minidisc - silly. and further more reduce the file size again - again silly.

well I think the save button should just save the file to exactly the same type and format as the unedited one - v9 does that, v10 didnt my example was of a LP4 66khz file at 13mb going to a 39mb 192 khz file. Not what I want. Rather important for putting back onto the discs I think, given their small capacity? I think I will have to query the new owners on this and see if it can be fixed. The only reason I noticed some thing was wrong was that the file size had increased - then I looked at the details from SS or SF Studio and saw the details that the bit rate had changed. If you have an LP4 atrac file untouched by SF I suggest you try loading a copy into SF edit a bit and click the save button and see what you get - I would be interested in your results here an LP2 file I just tried on see its format has been changed to atracplus bit rate & file size has changed . Maybe there is a setting I have over looked, but commonsense suggests a save button shouldnt need a setting? first image is before 2nd is afer edit and save. Its almost as if the old atrac formats have been removed and only the new plus ones used? even the saveas wont wont allow write back to atrac lp2/lp4 So it seems SF 10 not much use to netmd users which is a great loss? need v9? which is not easy to get hold of now ( I had a look at Ebay ) I saw just one copy for sale from Belgium. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONY-Sound-Forge-Audio-Studio-9-FR-Headset-free-/262412768064?hash=item3d19051340:g:XAYAAOSwE6VXJIgu for comparison here are before and after for SF 9 - see all that has changed is the file size

By the way Sony sold their software to a German company called Magix www.magix.com. They only have the v10 for sale - but I susoect you can get the older v9 from Ebay. This will still register with sony/magix so no problems there

well I have both and just got round to intalling 10 on my Windows 8.1 pc. Seems like there is a bug in the default save mechanism as it dont save to the same bit rate as the source file eg LP4 66 kps 13 mb file is turned into a 39 mb 192 kbs file. Sound Forge AUdio Studio 9 works as it should LP4 to LP4. Not sure what advantage 10 has over 9 but version 9 is the one to get I think if at this late date you want to edit on your pc atrac files ( is the only editor that will?) I am a bit surprised at this fault in 10 - there dont seem to be any way to change this faulty behavior so it isnt a matter of a setting. You can of course use the "save as" but then you get a new file and it dont have thte OMA extension

" As discussed, I'm not happy with the quality when using NetMD to do transfers. The encoding done on a PC is not as good as when done on the device, at least as far as my NH900 is concerned. I only want to use it for easy titling and occasional track rearranging. As for WinXP, that's a deal breaker for sure. I don't want to devote a whole machine to this purpose. " well the soln is to run a dual boot, which is what I do as I have some old programs and devices that I have found it hard to get to work under 8.1/10 64 bit. You dont even to set up a dual boot from within windows. My mother board for instance allows me to choose with the F8 function key which drive to boot from. this is how to prefer to do it. So I have 2 separate drives one for each of XP and 8.1/10

any way you dont need type S only type R as type S only affects PLAYBACK of LP formats thru the audio circuitry

I am confused. I dont understand why you are doing what you are doing? sorry but seems silly. " recording discs for it via optical output on the PC ". Why arent you importing the cds into SonicStage on your pc then use Sonic Stage to upload to minidiscs? As its only for the car LP2 should be ok? So no need for a mdlp deck? The NH900 is mdlp? if not then get a cheap nh600 portable that is - thats what I use.

well I have had one problem with Sonic stage on Windows 8.1. For some strange reason when I ran the new install of SS on the old folder ( which had had an XP install SS ) of non encrypted audio files all the atrac one had their copyable rights set to 0 rather than unlimited - the first I knew this was happening was when I tried to copy one such file to a new md - and it refused. The solution in my case was to copy all the audio files to a NEW FOLDER and run SS on that, that returned the unlimited copy rights of the atrac files. It has been a long time since I have used SS and one point about how it works not clear about. I had always assumed when you copied say an LP4 file as LP4 to a md there was no conversion and no extra file was made - it seems in my case since all my audio files have no encryption an encrypted copy is being made first of all in the optimised folder, I cant remember that ever happened before? Has been a long time since I sent atrac files to md - mostly have been mp3. What do other people here know and is my system mis behaving since the audio files were once owned by a differnt install of SS ( was in fact 4.2 )

ah thats worth knowing. I wonder if this is the same reason I wasnt able to upload some mp3s to my NH600 himd - they would have been from the BBC using radio downloader when it still worked? hmm just had a look all are 44.1 but they have some very strange bit rates -- eg 138,129,137,132 kbs!!! I looked at the info in Sonic Stage I assume is accurate? but vlc say the codec is 160??