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They are down to $36US per Gig as of now (when buying a 2GB disk). This is quite a reduction since 1 year ago. Also, multiple companies are selling the SD's. As far as I know, Sony is the only one selling the Hi-MD discs. Therefore, you are more likely to see continued price cuts in the SD market.

Check out this link from nexttag. Look at the price chart in the upper right corner.

http://www.nextag.com/serv/main/buyer/Prod...isk_2_GB_Secure

I've ordered hi-md for 2.8 USD at e-shop (australia)!

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***SONY***

I have a couple of Million Dollar ideas that I am giving you for free:

1. Please add the ability to Set Timer Recording (i.e. tell unit to start recording in 5, 10, 15 mins.) This would be very handy in stealth situations when recording in PCM.

2. The unit should have the ability to switch from PCM to Hi-SP or other codec when there are only a few minutes left on the disc to record. This would extend the recording time for the unexpected encores without sacrificing sound quality for the majority of the recording.

I accept cash or check.

Thank you.

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ok; i have just made a decision (sp)..

i am tired of hooking and un-hooking the usb cable to my Hi-MD on my fanny pack; or the one next to my bed to do some CD to Hi-MD transferring.. i hate this crap..

i wanna buy ANOTHER Hi-MD; i don't care which one; i just want to do my sh*t here and not be bothered.

if this unit comes out in April , i will BUY it;;

if it doesn't , i will get the R10 ;H10 or Z-10 what eva that unit is..

my whole theory in life is connect once and leave it alone; i hate sweakin unplugging wires; expecially "Which usb" wire/cable

i have one coming out of the PC#! for the Hi-MD;; one for da Camcorder; and now a stupid cable for my Sima-SFX-9 Video Effects Mixer..

my PC table looks like an octapuss..

i WANT another hi-md unit;; and i want my "Mapo"..

* and i am recording Cher DVD to PC#2; and the audio is beyond repair; i can't believe how bad the soundmen sweaking messed that DVD up; i cudd have recording it better with my Hi-MD900 and two hands tied behind my back;; and just use my tounge to control the unit with my remote*

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* and i am recording Cher DVD to PC#2; and the audio is beyond repair; i can't believe how bad the soundmen sweaking messed that DVD up; i cudd have recording it better with my Hi-MD900 and two hands tied behind my back;; and just use my tounge to control the unit with my remote*

Could it be, that this one suffers from the 'Louder is better'-Syndrome?

Rip Rowan: Over the Limit

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Could it be, that this one suffers from the 'Louder is better'-Syndrome?

Rip Rowan: Over the Limit

gee; i reall enjoyed that article. and it's true.

but, with Chere's DVD (Farewell Tour), a LOT of the songs START OFF with louder live audio, as she is coming from dialogue to singing; THEN, there is a noticable dip in volume; and i swear that she is in "millie Vanilli mode; yes; lip syncing and seems to be in mono now.

it's really annoying; so much that i can't finish watching the DVD.

it sucks; it rots; and as much as i admire HER; the fweaking disc is ruined.

is it because the elephants on the stage are farting ,, or maybe trumpeting ther noses? or, you can hear the foreign aieal artist moaning as them twirl around the heights of the stage?

WHY!!!!?? did they do this? all the time i put into re-mixing and re-tracking this DVD is for naught; raught; i'm sort of caught in a puddle or broth.?! or did i (*) in my pants!

MAYBE is the (louder is better) syndrome; and they tried to correct it; but the engineers f***ed up.

i wish there was a group of "Super Heros" out there that can fix this problem; like break into these audio engineering companies and tweek and fweak their gear; maybe bend their ?? ummmm ,oh, ears; clean the wax out of them too; and leave a fork as a calling card.

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Hey, rayzray I ripped Cher's Beleive tour DVD with Besweet and it turned out fine. A friend of mine rented the one that you did and he said it sounded awfull.

Try the Believe Tour DVD, I'm really no fan of Cher, it really was a awsome concert DVD though.POE

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Hey, rayzray I ripped Cher's Beleive tour DVD with Besweet and it turned out fine. A friend of mine rented the one that you did and he said it sounded awfull.

Try the Believe Tour DVD, I'm really no fan of Cher, it really was a awsome concert DVD though.POE

thanks poe; i will look that DVD up and re-mix it for my wife and "X"'s.

i could have doctored the audio up; but it wasn't worth it; she tries to be a Diva; but my "X's have it all over her. lol j/k

when i copied Chere's DVD; i also rearranged the songs; i put the last song, "Believe" first; then all my favorites; and took out all the semi-comedy; left in Sonny; took out Chere's rants; left in the elephants and hi-wire acts. what was left was a good mix of her songs and less of her "I love myself" attitude.

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Update

SharpSony at minidiscforum.de pointed out a list with Sonys "EAN-Codes".

You'll find the RH1 for "pre sales", the RH10 will be "discontinued without replacement".

* MZRH1B.EU8,4905524323207,Hi-MD with Self-Recording USB,08 Pre Sales

* MZRH10B.CEK,4901780939947,HI-MD WITH SELF-RECORDING FUNCTION,01 Discon.W/o Repl'mnt

Wakeup (same forum) asked Sony Austria (not Australia ;)) about the RH1. They said release will be in may and that the RH1 temporary will be the only Hi-MD recorder available.

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In the beginning there was the NH1 and it was good but people thought it had two major weaknesses it didn't play back Mp3's and its LCD was too small.

On the second day there was the RH10 that had a nice OLED screen and played back Mp3 files but people still weren't happy some thought it was too bulky and scratch able.

Now, there will be the MZ-RH1 or at least we think Sony is going to put out some new pro or high end recorders sometime this year. It seems people like the new design and would buy one if it came out even though we still do not know much about it. So, it seems like we all can agree that Sony is making some good changes. I am happy that is seems a lot of us are happy and are positive about the future.

Now, I am curious....

(1) What would make the MZ-RH1 better?

And while we are on that line of thought...

(2)what would be the ideal or the dream HI-MD recorder/player?

(3)What is it that we are all (at least the majority of us) really looking for?

A hopeful and curious MiniDisc user,

Mikami

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gee; i reall enjoyed that article. and it's true.

but, with Chere's DVD (Farewell Tour), a LOT of the songs START OFF with louder live audio, as she is coming from dialogue to singing; THEN, there is a noticable dip in volume;......

MAYBE is the (louder is better) syndrome; and they tried to correct it; but the engineers f***ed up.

i wish there was a group of "Super Heros" out there that can fix this problem; like break into these audio engineering companies and tweek and fweak their gear; maybe bend their ?? ummmm ,oh, ears; clean the wax out of them too; and leave a fork as a calling card.

ok; maybe i should take ther to another topic; but for now:

i thought it was unusual that Cher would have such a "Bad" DVD; so i listened to the original; WOW; what happened? it was pretty good ; and ; in stereo.!

my remake was not so good and in mono.

then i remembered this happen a while back on a Rush project.

i recorded one song; once with wireing as is; then i took the "Y" cable off the "monitor out" of my Sima SFX-9 A/V mixer, and voila; stereo.

now WHY did this happen? oh, i had a "Y" adapter there cause the monitor TV i use to monitor the projects is mono; so i "Y'd" id at the mixer.

i don't understand; maybe i SHOULD take this elsewhere! but where?

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(1) What would make the MZ-RH1 better?

And while we are on that line of thought...

Bigger screen like the RH10 has (secondary screen?), correct playback of MP3 files, easier way of tranfering files to the device (this isn´t actually that important for me personally if only the MP3 support worked).
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Bigger screen like the RH10 has (secondary screen?), correct playback of MP3 files, easier way of tranfering files to the device (this isn´t actually that important for me personally if only the MP3 support worked).

A bigger LCD (no one likes LCD anymore, right?)/ OLED screen means, bigger scratch ability unless there some type of cover/door for it like digital camera’s have for, their lenses. Durability of a unit’s body is of great importance to people who use them as field recorders and maybe Sony is marketing this new unit to such people. So, it is understandable that the larger screen was dropped in favor of thinner one this time around although maybe a bigger screen is not totally out of the question. Who knows what Sony might put out after all their connect players have big screens. Well, we can hope for a nicer remote and better softwear, maybe.

Better native MP3 play back might mean decreased battery life OR a more expensive HI-MD model with a CPU chip and/or better MP3 decoder.

Wow, Speculation is sure a lot of fun! The new MZ-RH1 sure looks like it is going to be a nice unit and if it sells well and there is demand for it who knows what else might be put out. The unit designers must be proud and given a little praise for a job well done(at least in looks anyway). Well, I like everyone else here am in great anticipation for this new unit.

The future is so exciting,

Mikami the curious Spectator

P.S.

What else might be changed, added, or deleted from HI-MD models to make them better?

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Better native MP3 play back might mean decreased battery life OR a more expensive HI-MD model with a CPU chip and/or better MP3 decoder.

I seriously doubt this. All decoding is likely done with a programmable DSP at this stage, so all that fixing MP3 support requires is writing a decoding algorithm that works correctly. This shouldn't have any effect whatsoever on power consumption [it's doing the same job, and in fact, if the current incarnation is purposely crippled, that probably means a "fixed" version would be doing slightly -less- DSP during decoding, meaning it might use -less- power] or cost.

Mind you, this is also speculation. :)

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for some reason i belive my local electronics shop still have a d600 available, maybe ill grab that as i think it was on sale, cheap :P

still, that unit looks damn sexy ;)

now, if i could get myself a bluetooth splitter so that i can use a music player and have it cut the sound when my phone rings...

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Mind you, this is also speculation. :)

Well, I for one take your speculation seriously because you are almost always right and have done the homework to back it up. So, you are most likely right this time, too :ok: .

Sony might have employed, an ASIC (DSP) specifically for dealing ATRAC early in the game. On the other hand you might be right in that it is a programmable one but its’ adaptive filter might not efficient when dealing with MP3 files for whatever reason. Although, one would assume it could be easily upgradeable since it is should be adaptable ( :D that was my attempt at humor :lol: ).

I am not sure if the engineers created a bad algorithm decorder on purpose or out of spite :o . Maybe, they were just short sighted at the beginning of the game or under pressure :wacko: ? However, Sony does seem to be trying to correct problems and differences in opinion with in their own company ^_^ .

This new MZ-RH1 will probably not answer peoples prayers for Mp3, but maybe it could,

Mikami

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yhis machine is sooooo delicious; i took one of my granddaughters shopping yesterday and we ventured into a Sony Style store; and i asked about this unit; and none of the sales ppl i taked to ever heard of it; and there was oly ONE Hi-MD unit on display! what's up sony; and my granddaughter rightfully calls our units a BIG mp3! see? be it , be that we gee whiz!

i would fling and swing for the bling IF sony sings-the-thing!

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If the RH1 came with an Li-Ion battery and proper MP3 playback, I might well buy one.

haha...just to show how opinions can differ: I personally hate proprietary Li-Ion batteries enough to make me forget about getting an RH1 if it used these type of batteries and further more I couldn't be bothered with MP3-playback as I'm only interested in a decent recorder, not a player...

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hello... :rolleyes:

i'm really happy that sony is releasing a third generation hi-md device & i hope that this means that the minidisc platform is not dead (even if its lesser devices & more focus to the pro segment).

as for mp3 support, i really can't understand why is everyone so crazed about it?? it is well known that mp3 is one of the least efficient audio compression formats out there & to support such a thing in such a - hi standard- platform is just like sony replying to us when we say "humor me..." i don't think that they really care about that (witch is a good thing...) i'm not saying that i don't have mp3 in my computer...in fact, i have about 8 GB of them but it would be better to have them compressed in atrac format because i don't think they can get more screwed then they already are anyway... -_-

so sony...KEEP THEM HOT STUFFS COMIN' B)

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...just to show how opinions can differ: I personally hate proprietary Li-Ion batteries enough to make me forget about getting an RH1 if it used these type of batteries...

Using the prior models as an example, dh10 and mz-n1, I do not expect the rh1 will have a lip-4 cell because, according to indeego's find, it has an add-on cell case. The two units that do use the lip-4 do not have an add-on cell case because of voltage something another...

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It seems to me that the point of the thin display is so it can go on the side of the unit, which is where you'll be looking when wearing it for field recording. Indeed one might wonder whether it will come with a proper field recording case. Even when used on a table top, you'e a better chance of reading an edge display than a top display (hence the stands other models come with which holds them in a more vertical position).

Likewise, you want the controls along the top front edge.

They do seem with this model to have actually thought about how it will be used.

So often, when you use something, or even live in a building, you do wonder whether the designed or architect had ever used it or lived in it themselves.

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Truex ozpeter.

The one design aspect I'd question as useful is putting the jacks on the opposite edge instead of one of the sides. If you want it in your pocket so the display faces up, you'll most likely want the jacks on a side rather than all the way around the bottom. Hmm.

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They do seem with this model to have actually thought about how it will be used.

So often, when you use something, or even live in a building, you do wonder whether the designed or architect had ever used it or lived in it themselves.

I hadn't thought through that aspect, yet. But, that is so true and I have to agree with you they must have spent sometime thinking about how we Minidisc fans would use this unit. The deal about the jacks that dex Otaku brought up is an interesting bit, too. I wonder if they will do anything about that next time. One can only hope that someone at Sony is taking note of our concerns, but they are probably pretty busy.

Bye for now,

Mikami

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I once heard a rumour that Sony sometimes has people test out their new units/or show off them on the Yamanote line that circles part of Tokyo. That is probably not likely but it is a funny little rumour and it is fun to imagine they could be out there testing out this new unit on the train and around the train stations.

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hmm, i just found a article about france vs apple&sony...

basicly the french dont like that apple have a lockin on the sale of music to their ipod devices (ok so its aac wrapped in a "weak" drm but hang with me) and wants them to open up this system so that third party's can sell to the device allso...

this will indirectly hit sony as its much the same with the atrac codec. therefor one may end up with a release of the full atrac spec, complete with how the hi-md units talk to sonicstage (this part is realy the issue as its here that the drm and the vendor lockin comes into place).

sorry if this is the wrong place to post something like this but i cant think of a more fitting place without starting a whole new thread...

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As many tech bloggers and journalists have pointed out, this probably won't be the case. It's far more likely that Apple and other purveyors of DRM'd media will just stop selling their products in France. There's too much money at stake for companies like Apple to open up their standards worldwide.

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Re where cables plug in - pursuing the idea of operating the recorder in a small case (belt worn or over the shoulder) in pro style rather than stealth style, having the cables emerge at the bottom reduces stress on the cable and the recorder - the cable drops straight down (to begin with) rather than bending at a right angle right away and exerting corresponding leverage on the recorder (which being light is then liable not to stay straight).

Downside is a greater tendency for the plugs to pull out of course!

Remedy for stealth users would be to use right-angle connectors/adapters, I guess.

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