I'm thinking of selling my RH10

[Sony_Fan]

I recently listened to some legacy discs on my Sharp Minidisc player. After listening to the Digital X-Bass of the unit, it made me realize how weak the RH10 is in terms of bass response and have been reluctant to listen to discs on my RH10. Unfortunately, this lead me to the conclusion that my unit was designed for recording music, and not for playback which was my initial purpose. I really wish the RH10 had a "super bass" function and no EQ settings could compare with Digital X-Bass from the Sharp unit. Even with the cheap factory earphones that came with the RH10, the Sharp unit sounded stronger. So, i could either invest in some high quality earphones or I could sell my RH10 and buy an MP3 player with the bass features I so desire. What do you think guys?

P.S. I found these earphones at the Sony Style website. Look at the features and tell me if you think they're worth getting. It has a bass booster design.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP...._FontopiaEarbud

Edited April 27, 2006 by Chris G

[Russell Letson]

Er, um, yeah, itsa piece a crap. I'll give yuh, uh, twenny bucks. OK, twenny-fi. Just give it here quick, before somebody else notices. . . .

[jaylen]

I wouldn't give up on the RH10 just yet. Go with investing in some better earphones. Check out the thread about the MDR-EX90SL in the 'phones section of this forum. There are some first-hand reviews that comment on bass.

[Stuge]

I don`t want to say much but yes Sony Eq doesn`t give heavy bass.Also it is the same EQ which is used in HD3 & HD5 but in these dap they have also given Digital Sound Preset ....

Basically I was used to "Digital Sound Preset " that`s way i still listen to my cd in my D-E225

[greenmachine]

Try lowering every band for one or two notches with exception of the 100Hz band. Overall loudness will be slightly lower, but with enhanced low frequency response.

[dogville]

I recently listened to some legacy discs on my Sharp Minidisc player. After listening to the Digital X-Bass of the unit, it made me realize how weak the RH10 is in terms of bass response and have been reluctant to listen to discs on my RH10. Unfortunately, this lead me to the conclusion that my unit was designed for recording music, and not for playback which was my initial purpose. I really wish the RH10 had a "super bass" function and no EQ settings could compare with Digital X-Bass from the Sharp unit. Even with the cheap factory earphones that came with the RH10, the Sharp unit sounded stronger. So, i could either invest in some high quality earphones or I could sell my RH10 and buy an MP3 player with the bass features I so desire. What do you think guys?

P.S. I found these earphones at the Sony Style website. Look at the features and tell me if you think they're worth getting. It has a bass booster design.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP...._FontopiaEarbud

I can't help you as for the earbuds cause I detest them. The sound is really awful and I have tested some throughout my life. The last ones I bought were the Sennheiser CX 300, ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. No bass at all and a very poor sound. I know not everybody likes the type of SENNHEISER PX-100 but are the only ones who "sound". In addition to the senheisser there are other two that sound very well; the AGG K 26 P (marvellous base) and the KOSS SC-55 (for me, overall, the best of the three). But if you want bass, try the AKG and you won't be disappointed.

regards

Edited April 27, 2006 by dogville

[SHion]

You won't create more bass than what the unit delivers, buying pro-headphones.

Sony's EQ is far to deliver enough bass IMO.

Also when comparing to the old "Digital Megabass" from old sony units that

enhances not only the bass but also the treble.

The old X-bass from Sharp is wonderful.

Edited April 27, 2006 by Shion

[greenmachine]

For bass and treble enhancement, try the EQ setting (0 -1 -1 -1 -1 0) or (-1 -2 -2 -2 -2 -1). Also you might want to consider getting good headphones which don't require much EQ adjustment. I hardly ever use the EQ and am satisfied with the sound. The headphones make all the difference.

[rayzray]

perhaps the problem is with the "source" of the music; or should i say "after-source"; once you un-virginize music; it sucks no matter hhat you do.

i think all this "file" shifting is crap.

late edit]] although if you think your Sharp makes it sound better; then go with the Sharp; the "Ears" are the unlimate judge; since God hears no music.

Edited April 27, 2006 by rayzray

[Sony_Fan]

perhaps the problem is with the "source" of the music; or should i say "after-source"; once you un-virginize music; it sucks no matter hhat you do.

i think all this "file" shifting is crap.

late edit]] although if you think your Sharp makes it sound better; then go with the Sharp; the "Ears" are the unlimate judge; since God hears no music.

Unfortunately, the Sharp unit only records in SP and in real time. It's also twice as thick and heavy as the RH10. The problem with the bass frequency in the RH10, is that it's only 100hz. It should be no more than 80hz. A combination of 100hz and some "bass boost" function would have been much better.

[rayzray]

gee, that sucks. i guess the only cure would be the EQ settings.

i wonder what my 900's are on the low end of the frequency range? they sure sound great!

perhaps a big headset with good bass response like my big Sonys.

well, you know you can sell it easy here; i can see the vultures just waiting for your next move!

[Sony_Fan]

gee, that sucks. i guess the only cure would be the EQ settings.

i wonder what my 900's are on the low end of the frequency range? they sure sound great!

perhaps a big headset with good bass response like my big Sonys.

well, you know you can sell it easy here; i can see the vultures just waiting for your next move!

Well, i wouldn't sell it unless I know what I will get to replace it. And I'm only thinking about it, so it's not for sure yet. I would sell it on ebay though, just to make sure I get paid for it.

[Sony_Fan]

For bass and treble enhancement, try the EQ setting (0 -1 -1 -1 -1 0) or (-1 -2 -2 -2 -2 -1). Also you might want to consider getting good headphones which don't require much EQ adjustment. I hardly ever use the EQ and am satisfied with the sound. The headphones make all the difference.

Sorry, but those settings don't work at all. I might as well listen to music on AM radio if I'm going to use those settings. What the unit needs is 6-band EQ and a "Mega Bass" button. There was absolutely no excuse to not include one.

Edited April 27, 2006 by Chris G

[rayzray]

try 0 -1 -2 -2 -1 0 like i use DJing; i (rayzray) demolish the dance floor with it! ((of course i use a 20 band PER CHANNEL EQ; but the "V" shape "Rocks" blocks the socks of the smell'' and yell if it does!

[theblueraja]

I have been known to say that the RH10 is the best sounding MD unit I've heard, even up against the Digital Amp devices I've owned... that said, I think headphones may be an issue. I use Sharp MD33s. Lotsa bass, and crisp highs.

Anyway, best of luck to ya.

[Sony_Fan]

try 0 -1 -2 -2 -1 0 like i use DJing; i (rayzray) demolish the dance floor with it! ((of course i use a 20 band PER CHANNEL EQ; but the "V" shape "Rocks" blocks the socks of the smell'' and yell if it does!

No, if i want poor sound quality, I'll record my music in Hi-LP. Sorry, no EQ settings will give more deep bass. Period!

[jaylen]

No, if i want poor sound quality, I'll record my music in Hi-LP. Sorry, no EQ settings will give more deep bass. Period!

Now, now. No need to have that attitude with people who are trying to help you out. I've changed my mind. Sell your RH10. It's slowly getting obvious that the only thing that will give you what you want is to get an entirely different unit or switch formats altogether.

[rayzray]

No, if i want poor sound quality, I'll record my music in Hi-LP. Sorry, no EQ settings will give more deep bass. Period!

Gee, i listen to ALL my personal music on Hi-MD's on my two (900's) in ((Hi-LP)) and love it; and i am very critical of how my music sounds.

i love to FIT 50 CD's on one hi-md disc.

and most of the times; it blows my ear-drums out; PLENTY of "Bass" with my Pana ear budds and Sony Ear-buds;

how much fuzz can a bud wuzz, buzz, if a bud wuzz could buzz budds.

Edited April 28, 2006 by rayzray

[The Low Volta]

Sorry, no EQ settings will give more deep bass. Period!

sorry, but I use the settings greenmachine posted earlier and they do not (in any way) make music sound like am radio...it does raise the bass, you have to raise the overall volume of course as you have lowered it with the EQ.

I don't know what's really bothering you but perhaps someone should advise you to get some real headphones (hey they did already) or maybe even to get a medic check your ears

as you have already decided 'no eq setting' will do the trick (you must have checked every possible combo I presume ) the answer is simple: just sell the RH10... but why post this thread if you do not want to be helped?

[Sparky191]

I can't help you as for the earbuds cause I detest them. The sound is really awful and I have tested some throughout my life. The last ones I bought were the Sennheiser CX 300, ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. No bass at all and a very poor sound. I know not everybody likes the type of SENNHEISER PX-100 but are the only ones who "sound". In addition to the senheisser there are other two that sound very well; the AGG K 26 P (marvellous base) and the KOSS SC-55 (for me, overall, the best of the three). But if you want bass, try the AKG and you won't be disappointed.

regards

Theres a big difference between ear buds and "in ear" canal earphones. The Sennheiser CX 300 are low end canal phones, but they should should ok. If they sounded "ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. No bass at all and a very poor sound" then you either had a faulty pair or you didn't get a good seal/fit with them. Lack of bass is a sure sign of a bad seal with canal phones.

....What do you think guys?

P.S. I found these earphones at the Sony Style website. Look at the features and tell me if you think they're worth getting. It has a bass booster design.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP...._FontopiaEarbud

No point complaining about the SQ if you are listening to rubbish ear phones. I suggest you head over the headphone section of Head-Fi and read some comments/reviews on earphones and pick up something bassy. Though most people on Head-Fi are not major bassheads.

I haven't heard a RH10 but if its like my Sony MD they are not bass heavy. Definately nothing like my Sharp. However that said I prefer an accurate sound over the inaccurate bass saturated sound that seems to be popular at the moment. Your missing out on half the music.

No point blowing 200-400 on a player if you are using $10 ear phones. Buy at least a PX100/MX500 at the very least. Then move to better earphones as your budget allows. Ask around your friends and see what they have.

[SHion]

Just bought a Sharp MD-DS55 after sold a NH900 !

I found what I was dreaming of since long time ! Only SP, doesn't matter, the EQ is a EQ that works !

The bass boost it's good enough, it enhances also treble and the dolby is cool. The interface is wonderful, wow I'm free from stupid hold button 2 sec to enter menu ! Liberation !! Yeaahh !!

Ah, forgot to mention save mode off for quick skip and search ! Awesome !

Luckily there are japanese manufacturers that can give japanese quality and feeling on their products !

[rayzray]

i donno; all i had with Sharp was BAD experiences; no SERVICE; you can't get in touch with them; and, their stuff is just not enuff!

but good luck anyhows.

ps, (late edit ) oh; what do i do with all my "Crippled" Sharps!

Edited April 28, 2006 by rayzray

[jaylen]

Just bought a Sharp MD-DS55 after sold a NH900 !

The interface is wonderful,

So you replaced a recorder (NH900) with a player-only unit (DS55)? You'd better have a downloader, deck, or another recorder or else your new DS55 is relatively useless. The DS55 is also pretty remote-dependent since there is no LCD on the body. With the NH900, you could've gotten the 40ELK, a 3-line remote. Now you're stuck with Sharp, which only makes 1-line remotes. Wonderful interface indeed. Sure, the DS55 has great sound, but you've lost recording function, downloading function, and the potential of upgrading your remote to 3 lines.

Yes, you've made an awesome choice.

[SHion]

Beside having lot of collections on many old MD's, I still have a N505 type R with messy button operation and a R700 that

still works wonderfully (the normal battery compartement frees you from weak gumsticks on first place!)

Speaking of that, the DS55 comes with a 1400mAh gumstick !

Concerning the sound quality of the Sharp, it's so good that reveals the weak points of the atrac codec.

I will buy a Sharp recorder one day (if they won't produce Hi-MD) also to try Sharp's encoder to see if

it surpasses the type R man.

Rayzray, in the middle of EU I think Sharp doesn't exist anymore, but I would consider their weak support as a

consequence of being more Japan oriented company.

Look their MDs of the past. They give you more, for less money. i.e. I remember sony's remotes without button for megabass to spare money, whereas sharp remotes (and interface) ruled.

Instead, I had many many problems with sony products, countless crappy CD players, camcorders, MDs and I will never never trust them anymore !

[rayzray]

i can understand not trusting a company (any company) that you had rough dealings with.

in the long run; the ears matter; and the ease at whitch your equipment works.

sometimes i think we are talking about body parts of old men; gee; i AM an old man! and i feel like a broken down Sharp/Sony. lol.!

Edited April 28, 2006 by rayzray

[The Low Volta]

R700 that still works wonderfully (the normal battery compartement frees you from weak gumsticks on first place!)

Speaking of that, the DS55 comes with a 1400mAh gumstick !

make up your mind... is the gumstick good or not?

the NH900 can give great bass if you know how to use the eq (and greenmachine has shown us ) and if you use good phones

so you have replaced a HiMD recorder with a strictly SP player only unit and you are happy about it, just cause it isn't made by sony... talking about holding a grudge (you could team up with ChrisG, he's selling his RH10 cause he doesn't want to listen to music, only to bass )

but let's not forget the most important thing about this switch... which you chose not to mention (this time, but you did before):

- you've sold your NH900 not for the sound, but because of button malfunctions

- you've sold your malfunctioning NH900 to an unsuspecting person without mentioning the problem... which puts you in the same position as sony if not worse... cause we might believe sony did not know about the button problem but you definitely did

[SHion]

Well Volta, later I discovered that the quick mode was effectless. It's a serious bug then, and I assume

many customers have been deceived. If sony did know too late, it's an unacceptable mistake because it'a common

bad habit to release stuff in the wild without caring if the product works.

It's not me who is going to stop this spreading disease of buggy technology. It was a new machine

and if has issues, well IMO it's part of the machine. It's an assumption as a consequence of today's technology.

Look my buggy samsung mobile phone that I'm using since 4 years. My friend had the same model with another kind of bug, he had it "replaced", same as before. Sold in second hand. What should he do ? Other people had the same bug like me and samsung never released a firmware update.

How many people must bear defective products ? When you buy them they are not labeled "buggy" although it seems 30% of electronic products return because of being faulty.

I tell you why my grudge is very up to present, not from the past (that has gone today) :

-bought another used sony CD player (ne300) is volume capped and I can't enjoy it. I will sell it, should I mention "Warning, the volume is too low" because other brands are not volume capped ?

-the other day new discovery, I took out my old camera without battery already dead from a while and extremely expensive for max. 45min operation, I plug the original power adapter to watch a video... after 5 sec. "Use with only original infolithium battery" came up oh, great that's great I can't use my camera anymore unless I buy a new battery now.... well done sony, so clever this hidden special timer inside the camera. Expired.

For bass and treble enhancement, try the EQ setting (0 -1 -1 -1 -1 0) or (-1 -2 -2 -2 -2 -1). Also you might want to consider getting good headphones which don't require much EQ adjustment. I hardly ever use the EQ and am satisfied with the sound. The headphones make all the difference.

This trick to give you 100hz bass enough works well, but it lowers the volume so much that is sad.

I prefer rechargeable batteries of 2000mAh or alkaline instead of a weak 700mAh gumstick with ext. pack. That's my small opinion.

Edited April 29, 2006 by Shion

[SHion]

Let me add that I'm relieved to have sold it before I would have discovered the countless issues of the Hi-MD format.

Lost recordings, corrupted disks, unformattable disks etc.

These problems implied in the format reside mainly on the units.

We do have to live with them don't we ? No me thanx, I stick with MD format and go with real time recording, retaining the nostalgia.

[The Low Volta]

It's not me who is going to stop this spreading disease of buggy technology.

no, you are - on the other hand - actively aiding the spread of this disease onto unsuspecting ppl!

even though I understand your frustration with bugs (heck, I had the NH900 button malfunction myself and had it repaired under warranty) I do not agree with your solution. You should simply have kept the item as a lesson learned from your mistake of buying used (or even new) without warranty (which I think is kinda dumb with a 'new' item) without testing it first. Yes you can buy almost anything through flea-bay, bu that doesn't mean it is wise to do so! But in stead of learning from that first instance, you have continued to try and save a few bucks, getting robbed and then robbing someone else... it's ppl like you that make buying from ebay very dangerous... if everyone thinks like you, in the end only broken NH900's will be sold and resold on ebay as noone else trusts it anymore

I tell you why my grudge is very up to present, not from the past that has gone today :

-bought another used sony CD player (ne300) is volume capped and I can't enjoy it.

-the other day new discovery...I can't use my camera anymore unless I buy a new battery now

- well, you clearly haven't learned yet...

- that's why everyone here (and on other forums as well) warns ppl for buying products with proprietary batteries! if you have had this much 'experience' with buggy electronics, it should be time to start researching stuff before you buy... this kind of stuff will happen again (all kinds of companies use proprietary stuff and all electronics will fail at one time... the final solution to this...stop using electronics )... perhaps you can try to sell the camera as well?

This trick to give you 100hz bass enough works but it lower the volume so much that is sad.

- it works for all bass untill the bottom of the HiMD spectrum (20Hz), that's exactly why lowering all bands works better than raising some.

- one tip (for you and ChrisG as well) do some research! get some nice sounding EFFICIENT headphones. I use $25 Pana's RP-JE50's (and while they do not qualify as audiophile) they do sound good, lock out external noise and I never (not even on crowded trains) have to raise volume over 18/30 even with the lowered eq

I prefer rechargeable batteries or alkaline instead of weak gumsticks with ext. pack

I can understand that, but I got a bit confused as you said gumsticks suck and the sharp is great as it came with a 1400mAh gumstick...

believe me shion, evidently you are free to switch back to MD if you don't trust HiMD anymore... all of that I have absolutely no problems with... it's the fact that you have sold your malfunctioning NH900 'as new' onto an unsuspecting buyer without mentioning any problems

[SHion]

I agree on some points of your view Volta.

it's the fact that you have sold your malfunctioning NH900 'as new' onto an unsuspecting buyer without mentioning any problems

The fact to buy on ebay should make everybody suspecting. Even from 100% feedback sellers like in my case.

And if you don't want to trust the seller with a new gear, you can at least trust the manufacturer.

I turned out to cheat because I've been cheated. My seller seems to have "ignored" the problem and refuses to be honest or offering a refund. Ok, it's not his fault, then it's Sony's fault.

But I'm not jesus to bring back harmony or cure diseases.

And when I will get negative feedback, I will give the same to the UK seller thus we will both say goodbye to 100% rate.

Anyway for the price I sold it, is still even a good deal having a minor bug like that. If you can't enter the menu at the first try you can on the fifth try and peace. Not everybody is like me that need to change the EQ every minute...

It was not a broken unit afterall. I almost wanted to keep it, but when I started to read about corrupted recording on this forum....no man please spare me that.

However I can understand everybody seeing me like

But I can assure you, if the buyer will really be pissed and doesn't want it anymore in spite of the good price, I will take it back and keep it.

I will let you know.

Edited April 29, 2006 by Shion

[Richard]

I agree on some points of your view Volta.

The fact to buy on ebay should make everybody suspecting. Even from 100% feedback sellers like in my case.

I'm sorry but the whole point of feedback is to enable people to truthfully evaluate transactions and provide a resource for other potential traders. Despite being generally careful as with any transaction, I shouldn't have to worry too much about a seller who has 100% feedback trying to con me. If used correctly eBay is a great resource and people like you just drag it's overall reputation down.

Cheating because you have been cheated youself is both selfish and misleading I am sorry to say.

[rayzray]

I've stopped reading this thread; there will be no winners no losers; a draw.

i have two 900's;; one with the "stop button" problem;; and one without.

i still am happy with the malfunctioning one; and use the remote with it.

sometimes it's just funner NOT to fix the problems and work around them; and just "Love" your units to bits.

probbly the person who bought his unit will be happy with what he got for the price; and relize that nothing on e-bay is sacred and for sure.

an almost perfect Hi-MD unit is still a good thing to some ppl; and technically; the unit was still almost brand new.

i would concider a dying optical block a bigger problem; as long as it records and plays; it's an "Ace";; waste not what's un-based; taste not what's un-pased; haste not what's un-lased!

Edited April 29, 2006 by rayzray

[jaylen]

I turned out to cheat because I've been cheated.

You should tell us your eBay ID so that we know who to avoid and who to tell people to avoid.

[SHion]

Don't worry, I'm back to honesty as originally. It was an eye for an eye.

So is this world. If I have been punished for my fatal crave of new technology,

now I'm paid back 100 times going back to the old technology with a fantastic DS55 for just about

120$ ordered directly from Japan. Happy end nr.1

Thanks to me somebody got the best Hi-MD (NH900) new for a very good price. Happy end nr.2

[jaylen]

Thanks to me somebody got the best Hi-MD (NH900) new for a very good price. Happy end nr.2

New? You keep forgetting to mention that it's a malfunctioning and used NH900. But eh, if that line of reasoning helps you get through life then so be it. But, please stop trying to prove that what you did is justified and morally acceptable. This thread has been hijacked enough, wouldn't you say?

[SHion]

So, just get the bottom line that I'm trying to bring forth.

That sony is giving hard times on every flavours to many of us.

Or, are you pleased to blindly be satisfied with unfinished products ?

This thread has been started from one of unsatisfied sony buyers that want to get rid

of a unit giving disappointement. Sad enough.

Pity that his problem with EQ can't be solved, as the same EQ is present on all the other HiMD models.

The dumb cause is, that where the 10kHz band acts as a shelf, the 100Hz band acts as a bell type and

that's certainly stupid for a music player resulting on the popular "bass syndrome".

I wonder who can understand sony....

There is nothing to understand.

Edited April 30, 2006 by Shion

[Sony_Fan]

So, just get the bottom line that I'm trying to bring forth.

That sony is giving hard times of every flavours to many of us.

Or, are you pleased to blindly be satisfied with unfinished products ?

This thread has been started from one of unsatisfied sony buyers that want to get rid

of a unit giving disappointement. Sad enough.

Pity that his problem with EQ can't be solved, as the same EQ is present on all the other HiMD models.

The dumb cause is, that where the 10kHz band acts as a shelf, the 100Hz band acts as a bell type and

that's certainly stupid for a music player resulting on the popular "bass syndrome".

I wonder who can understand sony....

There is nothing to understand.

Well, I'm starting to think that ATRAC3plus lowers the bass when it compresses music. I ripped a song in MP3 format, then coverted to ATRAC3plus Hi-SP and the bass was a little stronger. I know I'm going to get flamed for converting formats which can cause lower sound quality, but it's not very noticeable. I'll take a little bit more bass for minor loss in sound quality. Yeah I know, I'm wierd, but it makes my ears happy. Ultimately that's what matters. So I'll keep my RH10, for now.

[Sparky191]

Well, I'm starting to think that ATRAC3plus lowers the bass when it compresses music. I ripped a song in MP3 format, then coverted to ATRAC3plus Hi-SP and the bass was a little stronger. I know I'm going to get flamed for converting formats which can cause lower sound quality, but it's not very noticeable. I'll take a little bit more bass for minor loss in sound quality. Yeah I know, I'm wierd, but it makes my ears happy. Ultimately that's what matters. So I'll keep my RH10, for now.

In both instances you are listening to the same ATRAC3plus "compression". You're not avoiding that. I suggest you do a blind listening test and see if you can actually hear a difference. If theres any difference it will be from transcoding and I suspect what you hearing is a narrower dynamic range where you're losing detail in the high frequencies and across the spectrum generally.

I reckon you get the same effect by just encoding in a low atrac bitrate to begin with. Or just using some very bassy headphones. What you seem to like is what everyone else is trying to avoid. LOL. I guess if your happy with it, stick to it. I wonder though if you buy better headphones in the future will your opinion change.

Edited April 30, 2006 by Sparky191