Skradgee Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 I figured this would work well as a poll instead of just a discussion thread. See also...http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=8391&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streaml1ne Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Yes, but not for MP3 support. OLED and the increased battery life are my major attractors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averroes Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 (edited) Same here. I couldn't care less about mp3 support, since I can transfer them already with SonicStage (gasp! I don't hates the nassty softwares! )OLED and 32 hrs playback, on the contrary... hmmmm...edit: not that I'd use it 32 hours in a row, of course, but still... Edited February 22, 2005 by averroes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bland10000 Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 mp3 playback doesn't matter to me either...but I would like to step into hi-md for the longer recording times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 once you go HiMD you dont go back, its like the difference between Original MD and netMD magnified 1000 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tony wong Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 once you go HiMD you dont go back, its like the difference between Original MD and netMD magnified 1000 times←what's the difference between Hi-SP and PCM?is it noticeable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 only very slightly if u strain to hear it, otherwise not at all. And HiSP sounds incredible.if you have a CD burner you can test it out for yourself by converting files into the various Atrac codecs and bruning an audio CD for your CD player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tony wong Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 thx romb for ur answerwell, for the question....no, I will only be consider Hi-MD when it abandon its bulky sizeI just can't imagine buying a new MD/Hi-MD player, that is same bulky as my previous E35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Stamp Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 i am purchasing either a 710 or 910 because last year i only got the 600d. no inputs. so, this year i shall recieve inputs along with direct mp3 playback AND a bunch of unknown features .twas worth the wait i miss the functionality of the mzn510 time to bring t hat spark back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 what's the difference between Hi-SP and PCM?is it noticeable? ←OF COURSE it is!!!!! well at least I can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamaxDATminidisc Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I don't need MP3 support. People attract the attention for MP3. Some models of 2nd generation Hi-MD unit with compatible MP3 that it's better and comfortable. The top model 2nd generation Hi-MD dosen't MP3 support instead of basic model Hi-MD with MP3 playback like The Stamp. It wants many models 2nd generation Hi-MD to us (top MZ-RHxxx or PCM-RHxxx + basic MZ-NHxxx + business MZ-BHxxx). I prefer all type of recording: Atrac, MDLP, PCM, MP3, WMA, AAC, WAV, OGG Vorbis and data file (FAT) on Hi-MD unit.Example: Basic models MZ-NH600D and MZ-N510 would've 2nd generation Hi-MD with MP3 playback support like NetMD and MZ-xxxD. Top models MZ-N10 and MZ-R900 would've 2nd generation Hi-MD without MP3 like live recording with PCM support or audiophiles. I would like new top model MZ-RH1 (or PCM-RH1) and and MZ-RHF20 and basic model MZ-NH620D (MP3 support) and MZ-NH520D (MP3 support).The model Hi-MD 1-bit of Sharp would be IM-DHxxx (NetMD and MP3 support) and MD-DHxxx (dosen't MP3 support).Because people are accustom little PCM or Atrac and want to buy new 2nd generation Hi-MD with MP3 support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Eddie Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 It would be interesting to see how many hours of MP3 you could fit on a 1GB disc at 128kbs. How it could compare to the space you get using Atrac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1980 Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Something like 1000 minutes I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksandbergfl Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 It would be interesting to see how many hours of MP3 you could fit on a 1GB disc at 128kbs. How it could compare to the space you get using Atrac.←128Kbps MP3 and 132K ATRAC (LP2) would be roughly the same file sizes. I think the calculation is 15 hours of LP2 on a 1GB HiMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
though Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 ya im planning on buying a portable and home unit (if they build them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAVickers Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I'm not going to get a 2nd generation device, at least not immediately. At the very least I'm going to wait for all you beta testers early adopters to weed all the problems out with the hardware and software. Besides, I just shelled out for the NHF800 and have started dumping my CD collection in SonicSuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Interesting results on the poll, surprised to see so many here not interested in mp3. Truly a sign of changing times and persual of higher resolution codecs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniDiscist Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Yes, but not for MP3 support. OLED and the increased battery life are my major attractors.←Also, a new feature the second generation HIMDs (atleast the MZ-RH10) will have is USB 2.0. That will make PC to HIMD transfers significantly faster. USB 2.0 is 40X faster than 1.1 one, but obviously it won't get that much faster, the Himd's can only write so fast anyway, but it will help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Also, a new feature the second generation HIMDs (atleast the MZ-RH10) will have is USB 2.0. That will make PC to HIMD transfers significantly faster. USB 2.0 is 40X faster than 1.1 one, but obviously it won't get that much faster, the Himd's can only write so fast anyway, but it will help←actually it wouldnt change the write speed at allHiMD at its max is well below USB1.1 at its max, USB2.0 would just leave extra room for... nothingAlthough if/when Sony ever comes out with higher density discs it should also boost the write speed. Same size but a higher density means more info in a smaller spot means able to write more data to the same spot = higher write speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 That USB 2 claim by MiniDiscist is completely false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exvaxman Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 I will be getting a unit just for the durability - in my travels I have seen a number of dropped ipods that no longer function. All I will say is that my 8 year old handles my equipment as well, and has never broken a minidisc yet. I am going to keep my 1st gen unit since it has replaceable batteries (ever get stuck in an airport and have all of the AC outlets taken?) as well as probably getting another (hopefully cheaper by then) 1st gen unit for my father since I send him quite a few disks every month of lectures and OTR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniDiscist Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 actually it wouldnt change the write speed at allHiMD at its max is well below USB1.1 at its max, USB2.0 would just leave extra room for... nothingAlthough if/when Sony ever comes out with higher density discs it should also boost the write speed. Same size but a higher density means more info in a smaller spot means able to write more data to the same spot = higher write speed←Are you sure? Maybe they did do something different besides that to make it faster, how do you know for sure that it is false? or maybe its only faster when it comes to using the Hi MD as a removable storage drive for data. Or maybe it transfers TO the computer faster, it can read faster than usb 1.1 . Where did you here that it is B.S from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?eter_ Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Are you sure? Maybe they did do something different besides that to make it faster, how do you know for sure that it is false? or maybe its only faster when it comes to using the Hi MD as a removable storage drive for data. Or maybe it transfers TO the computer faster, it can read faster than usb 1.1 . Where did you here that it is B.S from?←Write speed in MD system has an upper limit-because the laser needs to heat the disk,magnet needs to polarize it etc. There is a limit to how quickly you can do this, especially if you are limiting the output of the alser,which you want to do for 2 reasons: lower laser output=longer battery life (good thing on a portable unit), lower laser output=longer life of laser diode.the max. write speeds are known (I think there might be an article on the website somewhere that outlines them) and thos is well below USB2.0 speed. But you might be right about uploads-which would be good, but then only for those of us who tape our own work, and Sony does like ignoring us, so I'm not sure they'd do it for that alone.?eter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Are you sure? Maybe they did do something different besides that to make it faster, how do you know for sure that it is false? or maybe its only faster when it comes to using the Hi MD as a removable storage drive for data. Or maybe it transfers TO the computer faster, it can read faster than usb 1.1 . Where did you here that it is B.S from?←its a limitation imposed on by both the hardware and MO media in general. It's been well known since the first incarnation of HiMD that the USB1.1 ceiling is still much larger than the transfer speed. Even if you think of it this way:HiMD can play PCM files.PCM runs at 1141kbps or (1141/8) approx. 142.625KB/s. This makes sense since a CD-ROM 1x drive runs at 150KB/s (giving it just enough speed to read the audio from a CD.) Therefore HiMD must also be able to read at 150KB/s but also faster so that it can fill the memory buffer. USB1.1's max is somewhere around 11mbps (which is theoretical and therefore never actually reached in a practical setting). 11mbps ~ 1.375MB/sFiguring that you'll get maybe half the speed they say is the theoretical limitation that gives you around 688KB/s bandwidth from USB1.1. In my own experiments I have found that you can get anywhere from 200-almost 800KB/s 'transfer' speed to a HiMD device but with a much lower write speed. What this means is the cache RAM of the HiMD device can be filled at a rate of 200-800KB/s. If you do a quick search on the Internet (or do your own experiments) you can find that the time it takes for you to transfer a file and then wait until the REC message dissappears is much greater and thus the actual write speed must be that much lower. In conclusion (if you're still with me here) even though the transfer to the HiMD device is relatively quick the time it takes to complete a disc write (not to mention if it has to seek to a free location mid-write) is very large. MO media is slow and in that way needs nowhere close to USB1.1's max transfer abilities let alone 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breepee2 Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 I'll be buying one definitly. I'm still on an old Sharp MT190, which sounds good, but recording takes a while. I'll just put up nice lame mp3's with preset extreme and enjoy the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniDiscist Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) In response to ROMBUSTERS and ?eter:That makes perfect sense, thank you Edited February 27, 2005 by MiniDiscist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rule Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) Yes, but not entirely for the MP3 support.The RH10 is one sexy peice of metal...Finally, a backlit screen on the unit, and the interface looks awesome. I could go on forever...I was going to get a shiny new iPod Photo untill I saw the RH10. Edited February 27, 2005 by The Rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 In response to ROMBUSTERS and ?eter:That makes perfect sense, thank you←no problemo, you have no idea how common this misconseption is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NRen2k5 Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 (edited) Yes, but not entirely for the MP3 support.The RH10 is one sexy peice of metal...Finally, a backlit screen on the unit, and the interface looks awesome. I could go on forever...I was going to get a shiny new iPod Photo untill I saw the RH10.←Another I-Pod? You're kidding, right? I can understand owning several different MD units because of the different designs, but owning two I-Pod's which are nearly identical just strikes me as lame. Edited February 28, 2005 by NRen2k5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Tires Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Another I-Pod? You're kidding, right? I can understand owning several different MD units because of the different designs, but owning two I-Pod's which are nearly identical just strikes me as lame.←Who says that he was gonna keep both of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAVickers Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 (edited) Interesting results on the poll, surprised to see so many here not interested in mp3. Truly a sign of changing times and persual of higher resolution codecs.←I wouldn't say that I'm not interested in MP3 as much as Sony took their sweet time getting to this point. I wish I had the cash outlay to upgrade right when the new equipment comes up, but I don't. If I plunk down the money for a piece of equipment, I'm generally married to how it works for awhile... Edited March 2, 2005 by MAVickers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ SKuBa Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 hey,besides the visual display and mp3 capabilities adn the little cosmetic differences, what is the difference between the RH10 and the NH1 as far as recording quality, amp power, playback quality. i mean it seems to me that besdies these cosmetic differences the genral piece is the same. they all have the same inputs and usb capabilites less teh 2.0 difference, and its seems the yall encode and play back in the same format. is there any quality differecne in the volume of the digital amp or the eq or the acutal sound? i havent bought one yet but its like, if there is no difference as far as sound quality why purchase one that has mp3 format adn just a different display?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Stamp Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 nobody can gauge the rh10's sound quality, loudness.. etc because it isnt out yet im gettin gthe 910. exact same as rh10, but without the fancy expensiveness that attracts the thief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ SKuBa Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 tru tru, i havent bought one yet but its either the nh900/nh1 but if theres a difference mabey ill get the new ones.... hmmmm what to do... anyone know when there will be some new details out on the new series if theres any testers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotic Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 hehe, now I can anwser this. after seeing the announcements, I'm definately not buying a portable 2nd gen unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananatree Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I'll say I am getting a 2nd gen unit, but it isn't for MP3 at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_732 Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Yeah i imagine that i will be getting a 2nd gen himd, i like the new display on the rh10 and one of the main things that has kept me from getting the nh1 was that it couldnt have a AA boost pack attached so the added playback and recording time is definately a bonus. although i would still record the majority of tracks in atrac i think that mp3 wma wav compatability will be a good thing and may come in handy as it'll theoretically save transfer time if i just want to throw something on the player and go. but as has been said id like to find out a little more about them before shelling out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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